Skill Discussions

Hi,

Really loving the game so far, played about 6 weeks or so?, the game world is massive, missions, mining and PvP (even 1v1 gate camps) are all awesome fun. I only wish I had discovered this game a few years earlier and not wasted my time on other MMOs. My biggest gripe, like many other newbs here, I guess, is that character progression is not interactive and somewhat inexpedient. Now, I don't want a game whereby I kill 50 rats, and BOOM here's your titan plus top quality fittings, so please don't get me wrong. I would be happy to reach, say, marauders (75 days or so for me atm) in the same 75 days or so, if I was safe in the knowledge that my actions in game, could make some sort of difference.

I am not asking to be allowed to play 18 hours a day, farming pve content in order that I get epic ships and gear as a reward.

Nope. Put that thought out of your mind for a second!

What I had in mind was something like this: A new skill could be created called symbiotic relationships, or something weird like that, where once two players have that skill trained, they can enter into a symbiotic relationship with each other.

The wording in the description could be something like this:

The capsuleer enters a symbiotic relationship with another capsuleer. During this time, their wills are combined, thus reducing the time taken to learn their currently queued skill by X% per level, up to a maximum of X% at level 5.

HOORAY, free cookies for everyone, I hear you shout!

Not so, there must be drawbacks to such a skill!

Drawbacks: The developers of this technique have, as yet, been unable to succesfully enter into a symbiotic relationship whilst in or near large metallic objects. Therefore, it is not possible for for this relationship to be maintained for a sustained period (i.e it is possible, but not worth it long term) whilst either capsuleer is piloting a ship more massive than Battlecruiser class and above, nor when docked. The connection between the two pilots degrades over time and can end completely (thus negating any progress that would have otherwise be made).

Also, should either pilot be killed and thus activate their medical clone, X% (or all) of the accelerated progress they have made is lost.

What do you guys think? I dunno if this would lead to excessive carebearing, but at least people can't just dock up (except to sleep and for reasonable lengths of time, say) I thought the ship mass restrictions might help, as this would be aimed at new players.

There are risks involved with this skill, so hit me with your (constructive) criticisms!

Reading is hard to do. Say why you feel the way you do about it, at least. Thanks for the feedback!

Crap, I never thought of that.

Cloaking causes interference?

Bugger.

Are many EVE players "proud" or "precious" about subjects such as these?

Why are there implants then? Why are the accelerated account things there where you can get even better boosters?

I withdraw my idea, I thought it carried enough risk to be accepted but I didnt think of all the douchebaggery that could go along with it.

Not to be harsh, but six weeks is not really long enough to make any informed suggestions. That being said, play a bit longer and you may see why things are set up the way they are.

As has been mentioned a million times in a million threads started by impatient newbs, you can be as proficient in a frig a a couple months as someone who had played 10 years. There are only so many relevant skills.

Try and purge the habits of theme park MMOs and you will see how rich EVE can be. In the end it is not SP, but the capsuleer that counts.

Check this out.

Because implants cost ISK and can be lost in PvP. Using them is a risk. The cerebral accelerator is severely limited in functionality and can't be used once your character has reached a certain age.

Training skills for the purpose of training other skills faster in annoying. The old learning skills often lead to people saying that every new character had to spend its first few months of life docked up training learning skills before it could train anything that actually let you play the game.

Just pick something you want to do and start training. You will be the equal of an old player pretty quickly. All age gives you is more options and more expensive clones.

I might explain to you why your idea is dumb.

Some years ago Eve had a lots of such skills which altered speed of training. they were so called training skills. They only consumed time for newbs because everyone had to start with them. CCP decided to drop them and just alter skilling speed on general level without obscuring it by more complications.

There are already a large number of rewards for playing the game,

1 Games experience – the most important by far, those who are good at EVE are so because they understand how the game and other players work
2 ISK, to allow you to get more stuff and/or feel good about yourself
3 Items, to do more stuff and/or feel good about yourself
4 The fun of playing (it is meant to be fun right?)

The only thing you don’t get is SP, and because many other MMOs do offer this people seem to think that EVE should also. You will have to progress at the same rate as every one else who has played has done (actually training has never been quicker due to implants, removal of learning skills and the implementation of the skill queue). In EVE the skill training time is an important buffer that prevents inexperienced pilots from doing stupid things that leads to expensive losses.

Also any SP for doing stuff will only increase the gap between new and old players, see Malcanis’ law.