Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about using a pry bar to open the back compartement of a cube truck? Would it make more sense to only have a suspect flag if scanning industrial ships since none of those would have windows to innocently look through anyway? Your analogy falls flat on it's face once you realize industrial ships are not really the equivalent of a car but more of a semi-trailer usuaslly with no windows on the trailer...

I agree that this is an act of aggression. I will change my opinion if anyone can tell me a legitimate use of ship scanners or cargo scanners that isn't step 1 in a hostile act.

OP I suggest you edit the top post to remove the cool story. Keep it concise. Describe the problem, propose your fix. If you feel like it, tell a cool story bro after that :P

The best argument against this proposed change is "attacking someone is an act of aggression, just taking a look at them is not". The best counter argument is "when I call your ship as secondary target in a fleet fight, I haven't actually attacked you yet so it's not really an act of aggression..."

No thank you.

the risk to the ganking squad as a whole is that they all lose their ships (save for the scanner admittedly) and there is no guarantee that anything will drop. There isnt even any guarantee that the hauler ship will be destroyed, some ganks fail outright. Esp if the hauler is escorted.

considering that the scanner is an alt, in free noob frig that can jump or warp the second the scan has gone through, how much risk do u think going suspect will add to the scanner? realistically? not a lot...all they have to do is dock with their pod to get another ship, fit a scanner and come straight back out again. or if anyone is camping the gate, get a combat ship and some RR buddies because now their in a ltd engagement.


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instead of making ganking more difficult, u'll be baited into fights u can't win...and u'll still get ur ships ganked. Far better off using more traditional anti-ganking tactics.

i'm saying this as a hauler myself, it accomplishes very little. u WILL just learn to ignore those scanning u just as u learn to ignore ninja salvagers.

And the scanning ship usually is a throwaway alt with nothing of value anyways, so what is the point of being able to shoot them if they can just undock and repeat?

But players don't scan others cargoholds for contraband as "Customs Officer" isn't a career path in EVE currently, they scan them to pick the juiciest cargo. I'm still thinking about this idea and what you added above though. My comments not a flame just more of an observation but give me an IG actual example of someone playing "Customs Officer" and I'll retract

how would u tell if he was playing customs officer or gank scanner? they are one in the same. the gankers just have to say they have declared trit an illegal commodity and then gank anyone carrying it. all of a sudden they are customs agents.

the customs officer thing has been hinted at by CCP for a future development. Rather than having NPC's check player cargo, leaving it to other players who can flag ppl carrying what the sov holders consider contraband. maybe it was an idea just thrown out there, but i liked it.

its true the primary use of cargo scanners is to find good targets to gank. there are few other reasons to want to know what someone else is carrying. but the whole scanning process is all part of a meta game, like spying, and having cloaky alts to provide warp ins. i would prefer that u didnt go suspect for providing a warp in during a dec, even though u are an accessory to the attack. For all concord can tell, u are an innocent bystander. Just like ppl 'scoping out a joint' in the movies.

When it boils down to it, its not the scanning that ppl mind, its the ganking to which there are already ways to mitigate risk. The proposal does little to remedy ganking. containers and double wrapping cargo already nullify scans as well.

Haven't for some time now.

You can't user "Future" as a reasonable argument. Future development isn't current IG.

People 'scoping out joints' are generally found, thrown up against a wall and charged with being an accessory or aiding and abetting I believe but we can't do that in EVE.

It's the scanning that leads to the ganking I'm afraid. If you didn't know for sure what was in it then how do you know that it'd be worth the cost\risk of actually ganking it? You wouldn't. Now some people do gank anything just for the lols and they will but most do it for profit and will only hit what they think will payback +profit on their loss.

As for the disposable alts mostly used for ganking...well there's a flaw in the system that this clearly highlights don't you think? The fact that ganking and the chars used are so disposable would highlight that to me.

We understand that the illusion of fitting against a gank can be achieved however you cannot stop a dedicated gank (and I don't mean two ships) which destroys your ship in 1 volley. So what can you do? Look to the root cause. What caused those 20 T2 fitted Catalysts with 14400 damage in Volley #1 to pick that particular hauler? I'll let you think on that for a bit.

I'm sorry but I don't follow the "warp in for a dec" analogy. You'll have to expand on that one or explain "dec" to me as could be a number of things.

ok so this was the only thing i could make out as being even close to a "point"

so because a role is performed by an alt it should be immune to destruction? oh man super cool point you made there

wait...when my ship blows up your telling me i can...redock? and refit? and some back out again? thats like...idk maybe what every pilot in every ship does every time they get blown up? how is saying someone is "just gonna reship" a valid argument for...frakking anything? why should you be able to target anyone for that matter? dudes just gonna go reship right? lets just make all the ships you like indestructible and all the ones you dont like self-destruct upon the undock button being pressed.


and your last "point"...if you ignore flashing yellow thats on you, and quite honestly it makes you a crap hauler. in fact it makes you sound like an AFK hauler...

super great points, dood.