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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#621 - 2013-09-30 17:12:29 UTC
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
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See I can make stuff up too. Big smile

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When did I make stuff up? Just take your 5 accounts and unsub already. We don't care.

Price of trit might go up without you afk mining all day but I think I will be ok.

And guess what? CCP needs to be profit driven and make decisions that make them money -- they are a business you moron. If they don't make money, you don't get to play.

Good job CCP, I hope I get a fanfest trip so I can get trashed with the people that actually like this game the way it is.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#622 - 2013-09-30 17:24:06 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
Holy **** -- 31 pages?

I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.

Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.

So 200 of you neckbeards are so ******* upset with CCP that you are going to unsub and ragequit forever. Guess what? CCP is profit driven and they will sell more plex by giving these prizes to Somer to give away than by appeasing you. No one really cares that your all mad because you don't get the same toy everyone else does.

SInce when has EVE been fair? Next thing you know you guys are going to want to make is so high security space is gank free and all the moon minerals are the same in null security so no one can have an advantage -- oh wait.

**** it. You guys win. All 200 of you.


EVE has always been fair, or rather, it has always needed to be fair (that fairness has occasionally been broken, as this current issue is just one example). What individuals do to others in EVE may not be fair, but EVE itself must be fair, the sandbox must be fair, or it ceases to be a functional game and instead becomes an exercise in frustration. CCP, as arbiters and referees of that sandbox must also be fair, or their game and ultimately their business will fail.

What do I mean by fair? The rules must be applied equally across the board, to all players and groups of players. Players must have the same opportunity, and no one player, group of players, or multiple groups, can be given something that everyone else does not have the ability to obtain through similar means.

That does not mean "this one player has a titan, so all players have to have titans;" rather it means "if one player has a titan, which he acquired by getting the ISK/materials to build or buy one, and trained the skills to fit and fly one, then all players must have the option to do the same, if they are willing to put in the effort and investment." Now, the exact path may vary, some may earn the ISK for such an endeavor through hard work, others may scam, etc., but in each case it must be earned, and others must be able to at least attempt to do the same with a reasonable expectation of similar results (a scam may fail, ISK may be stolen, a build may be interrupted, but if a player is able to bypass or overcome these obstacles, the results should be the same).

When CCP starts handing out free ISK makers to one in-game player organization, it tips the sandbox and makes the situation blatantly unfair. If they wanted to recognize player organizations who provide community content, then they should have set up an application process for all interested organizations, with clearly defined criteria for such organizations and the guarantee that any such group which meets these criteria would receive the same treatment. Handling this the way they did, by selecting a single group without any consultation of the players or giving the opportunity to others just smacks of favoritism, and that directly undermines CCP's position as the impartial referees of the sandbox. If the game is obviously rigged in favor of some players, why should the others continue to pay to play?

And I have to state that it absolutely galls me that I am siding with goons on any issue at all, but in this case I have to admit that they largely have the right of it: CCP's actions here are not right; they are favoring one group of players above all others by handing them an advantage which was not earned through in-game mechanics or opportunities available to all. Whether it has happened in the past or not is no justification for allowing it to happen again; rather it is all the more reason to put an end to it here and now.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#623 - 2013-09-30 17:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Indy Indy
I was going to write some words. But I have 3 posts in the last 5 and that wouldn't be fair for those others that want to get a point in, so I will wait a bit longer.....

http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451cfe069e20134801cda27970c-800wi
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#624 - 2013-09-30 17:42:39 UTC
promo btw
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#625 - 2013-09-30 17:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: KIller Wabbit
Indy Indy wrote:
Holy **** -- 31 pages?

I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.

Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.

So 200 of you neckbeards are so ******* upset with CCP that you are going to unsub and ragequit forever. Guess what? CCP is profit driven and they will sell more plex by giving these prizes to Somer to give away than by appeasing you. No one really cares that your all mad because you don't get the same toy everyone else does.

SInce when has EVE been fair? Next thing you know you guys are going to want to make is so high security space is gank free and all the moon minerals are the same in null security so no one can have an advantage -- oh wait.

**** it. You guys win. All 200 of you.


You ever happen to notice how small an opinion survey is on incredibly important RL topics?

When people take the time to GIVE an unsolicited opinion interested parties should take note. The silent majority don't say anything when they are pissed off - they just walk away.
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#626 - 2013-09-30 17:44:55 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
Holy **** -- 31 pages?

I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.

Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.

So 200 of you neckbeards are so ******* upset with CCP that you are going to unsub and ragequit forever. Guess what? CCP is profit driven and they will sell more plex by giving these prizes to Somer to give away than by appeasing you. No one really cares that your all mad because you don't get the same toy everyone else does.

SInce when has EVE been fair? Next thing you know you guys are going to want to make is so high security space is gank free and all the moon minerals are the same in null security so no one can have an advantage -- oh wait.

**** it. You guys win. All 200 of you.


You ever happen to notice how small an opinion survey is on incredibly important RL topics?

We people take the time to GIVE an unsolicited opinion interested parties should take note. The silent majority don't say anything when they are pissed off - they just walk away.



Or they just don't give a ****.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#627 - 2013-09-30 18:46:50 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
Holy **** -- 31 pages?

I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.

Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.


That might be because 99% of the player base don't know or give a crap about SOMERBlink or this lottery. Which makes it even worse.
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#628 - 2013-09-30 18:48:49 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
Holy **** -- 31 pages?

I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.

Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.


That might be because 99% of the player base don't know or give a crap about SOMERBlink or this lottery. Which makes it even worse.


How does that make it worse? It means that the people bitching about this is are truly a bunch of whiney bitches. No one cares how much isk somer has. No one cares if they will make more off of this.

SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#629 - 2013-09-30 19:02:25 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?


With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me?
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#630 - 2013-09-30 19:05:45 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?


With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me?


Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#631 - 2013-09-30 19:17:01 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?


With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me?


Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something.

Dude, chill. It's only a game.
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#632 - 2013-09-30 19:30:48 UTC
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?


With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me?


Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something.

Dude, chill. It's only a game.



Aren't you the one unsubbing in like 8 hours?
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#633 - 2013-09-30 19:55:41 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?


With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me?


Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something.

Dude, chill. It's only a game.



Aren't you the one unsubbing in like 8 hours?

Yea. After articulating my issues with the situation. As opposed to you coming here to yell at people who don't like what CCP is doing and telling them to go back to mining or whatever.
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#634 - 2013-09-30 19:59:10 UTC
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#635 - 2013-09-30 20:04:42 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least.

I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#636 - 2013-09-30 20:08:50 UTC
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least.

I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game.

If they give to to progodlegend's chaps, it would affect the game for the better

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Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#637 - 2013-09-30 20:12:39 UTC
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least.

I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game.



You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them.

How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown.

Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE.

If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#638 - 2013-09-30 20:26:21 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least.

I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game.



You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them.

How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown.

Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE.

If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******.
1) Have you read the CCP posts, like the OP for example? It's quite clear that these handouts will continue.
2) Somerblink is a business so everything they do is marketing, not charity. (Also them giving isk from GTC purchases is basically RMT, but let's not get into that). And the recipient being somer is still the least of my issues with this situation.
3) The ships' value doesn't come from whether they are in a hangar or in space.
4) CCP shouldn't 'like' anyone if that means they are going to give them an advantage in a sandbox game.
5) Yea it's quite obvious that you're trolling but I really have nothing better to do while mining ice in my mom's basement so ehh
Xeen Du'Wang
Perkone
Caldari State
#639 - 2013-09-30 20:59:06 UTC
Indy Indy wrote:
Abernie wrote:
Indy Indy wrote:
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least.

I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game.



You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them.

How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown.

Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE.

If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******.


Sommer Alt detected
Indy Indy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#640 - 2013-09-30 21:32:08 UTC
Xeen Du'Wang wrote:
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im glad im not a Somer alt. I wouldn't be able to win.