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Eve Online - New Desktop Advice??

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Ketton
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-30 18:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ketton
Hi;

I am not computer illiterate, however im not exactly savvy when deciding on a new rig, could i please ask the communities advice on the desktops i have linked below?

Not sure if this is generally important, but i live in the UK.

Important points:

1) I cant build a desktop, it would more likely be able to burn toast that run a computer game!

2) i almost always run two accounts, sometimes three at the same time.

3) when running 2-3 accounts i want no lag and no issues running those accounts (i dont require the graphics to be on the highest settings), i just want to run 2-3 accounts well and not experience any issues while doing so.

4) i haven't and dont intend to be in a system / fight with over 200 pilots at once, however as we all know this can never be guaranteed!

Options:

Vortex 1000 - PC Specialist

Alienware X51

Alienware Aurora

I dont really want to spend over £1100 (but tbh the best i could get for the cheapest price would be better)


Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Alpheias
Farmhouse.
Fraternity.
#2 - 2013-09-30 19:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
My immediate question is, if you are not computer illiterate, what stops you from building a PC? It isn't exactly rocket science these days and if you are not computer illiterate, I have to assume that you have bought parts to replace parts in your previous and current box.

edit: looked at the links and for the budget that you are willing to spend, it is a ripoff and you should feel ashamed, mr. "not computer illiterate".

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Kyseth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-09-30 19:54:43 UTC
System one:
Good core components (case, cpu, mobo,mem, drives) but I don't really like the CPU cooler. The power supply may be ok, but on the very low end because it doesn't leave you much room to upgrade in the future. I abhor Windows 8 and would HIGHLY recommend you stay with Windows 7 if at all possible.

System two:
I have no idea about the quality of the parts in this system beyond marketing bullets. Intel i5 is fine (and probably what I'd say to get) but beyond that.. I have no real way of knowing the longevity of this system.

System three:
Same as system one

Between the three, system one is what I would suggest you get. I'm not up to speed on NVida cards (ATI/AMD here) so someone else can speak up about how long that card will last you. Otherwise, I might see about getting a better CPU cooler and maybe a better power supply.
Alpheias
Farmhouse.
Fraternity.
#4 - 2013-09-30 20:04:06 UTC
Kyseth wrote:
System one:
Good core components (case, cpu, mobo,mem, drives) but I don't really like the CPU cooler. The power supply may be ok, but on the very low end because it doesn't leave you much room to upgrade in the future. I abhor Windows 8 and would HIGHLY recommend you stay with Windows 7 if at all possible.

System two:
I have no idea about the quality of the parts in this system beyond marketing bullets. Intel i5 is fine (and probably what I'd say to get) but beyond that.. I have no real way of knowing the longevity of this system.

System three:
Same as system one

Between the three, system one is what I would suggest you get. I'm not up to speed on NVida cards (ATI/AMD here) so someone else can speak up about how long that card will last you. Otherwise, I might see about getting a better CPU cooler and maybe a better power supply.


1) For the components in the first build, 650W really is overkill. For his needs I don't see him overclocking so a K series is just throwing money at unnecessary ****.

2) The X51 is basically Dells attempt at a console-esque PC. A "Steambox" if you will.

3) As always, Alienware use pretty standard components in all their OEM lineups so that means overpriced.

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#5 - 2013-09-30 20:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
I threw this together quick: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1JmfC

Estimated Wattage: 418W

For £1037.16

It does require that you put it together yourself but building a PC is ******* easier than taking culinary lessons and manage to actually impress.

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Ketton
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-09-30 20:54:47 UTC
cheers for all the input chaps.

Ye i possibly "could" build a pc, but i have never done so or replaced any components in a PC, just concerned i'd f*** it up, maybe i should give it a pop.

Thanks again i appreciate the advice.
Alpheias
Farmhouse.
Fraternity.
#7 - 2013-09-30 21:02:11 UTC
Ketton wrote:
cheers for all the input chaps.

Ye i possibly "could" build a pc, but i have never done so or replaced any components in a PC, just concerned i'd f*** it up, maybe i should give it a pop.

Thanks again i appreciate the advice.


Open up a new tab in your browser, type in "how to build a PC?"

Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPHCBWayEsY

Consult your manual as well.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-09-30 21:06:59 UTC
Alpheias wrote:

1) For the components in the first build, 650W really is overkill. For his needs I don't see him overclocking so a K series is just throwing money at unnecessary ****.

2) The X51 is basically Dells attempt at a console-esque PC. A "Steambox" if you will.

3) As always, Alienware use pretty standard components in all their OEM lineups so that means overpriced.


The better power supply is just a future proof thing. The one that's listed would be fine for that system as it is. I'm thinking more if he figures he wants to try a higher end graphics/overclock/ multi-gpu sometime down the line. If you're going to buy something, I tend to slightly future proof it rather than buy for now then have to do it again later. That said, I agree that now the 650 is probably ok with the listed parts.

@OP

Building a PC is a LOT easier now than it had been in previous days. These days, you really have to try hard to break something. With pretty decent instructions, youtube instructional videos, and plenty of other reference material, doing it yourself really isn't all that bad. If you think you might like to try your hand at doing something on your own, take the first system you listed and then maybe do a little research on each component and go from there to see what you might want to change (if anything). Like anything, at first it seems overwhelming but when you break it down into smaller parts, it isn't so bad.
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#9 - 2013-09-30 21:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
alienware is over priced.

as far as first PC link:

looks like the mobo's are Asus. I like asus, i prefer Gigabyte more but asus are good boards, it will last long.

Kingston makes good RAM. for gaming, i would recommend gskill but Kingston isn't bad.

stay away from Western Digital hard drives, I have thrown more of those away than any other brand due to bad sector issues. I have p put together probably 200-250 Seagate drives and can only recall 3 bad drives.

corsear power supplies are ok. But be carful about advertised wattage vs. sustained wattage. Go with one that at least pulls closer to 20+ amps. Fact, some video cards require it. this should be listed on a spec sheet.

*edit: perhaps this last part isn't a big issue for post folks, i try to find ones that have a higher amp rating than not.

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Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-09-30 23:46:15 UTC
my initial triple box computer was a dell with an upgraded power supply and graphics card. done

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Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#11 - 2013-10-01 06:55:10 UTC
Even if you can't build your own computers nothing stops you from either letting a friend do it for you, or purchase the different parts and then let a local computerstore do the building.
While Alienware has an alright design it's way too overpriced. Don't do it bro.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#12 - 2013-10-01 07:13:16 UTC
If you don't mind me piggy backing this...

I built my system last year with a GTX 550 Ti as it was a good affordable baseline and can run everything pretty well.

But I wanna push it a bit more and have started to get into streaming a little and have found games that ran great on their own start to hiccup a little when I stream them.

Assuming I get a 2GB or higher RAM sized card any suggestions on how high I should go before I start getting a bit pricey? I was looking at a 650 Ti and was wondering if the performance gain was that much. Especially with the confusing as hell way that Nvidia seems to do their series.

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Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#13 - 2013-10-01 09:08:17 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
If you don't mind me piggy backing this...

I built my system last year with a GTX 550 Ti as it was a good affordable baseline and can run everything pretty well.

But I wanna push it a bit more and have started to get into streaming a little and have found games that ran great on their own start to hiccup a little when I stream them.

Assuming I get a 2GB or higher RAM sized card any suggestions on how high I should go before I start getting a bit pricey? I was looking at a 650 Ti and was wondering if the performance gain was that much. Especially with the confusing as hell way that Nvidia seems to do their series.


Just save money for a 760 or wait for the benchmarks on those new ATI-cards, to see if they're worth going for.
Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#14 - 2013-10-01 13:18:43 UTC
I am a complete computer imbicile, but I can put together parts.

What worked well for me was to talk to someone who gave me a list of parts that "mesh" well together. I went out and bought them and put it all together.

Assembling parts is not difficult. Knowing what goes well with what? Thats tough.

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#15 - 2013-10-01 14:44:48 UTC
I have a few suggestions:

*ASUS Intel Core i3 8GB DDR3 2TB HDD Capacity Desktop PC Windows 7 Home Premium CP6230-US001O $549.00
*iBUYPOWER Solaris Series Intel Core i5 8GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity Desktop PC Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit NE704i $899.99
DELL Alienware Intel Core i5 8GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity Desktop PC Windows 8 X51 (AX51R2-5724BK) $799.99

Newegg.com has alot of great prices for computers. Those are a few computers that I suggest for EVE.

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Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-10-01 16:02:14 UTC
Random McNally wrote:
I am a complete computer imbicile, but I can put together parts.

What worked well for me was to talk to someone who gave me a list of parts that "mesh" well together. I went out and bought them and put it all together.

Assembling parts is not difficult. Knowing what goes well with what? Thats tough.

This. The lists are endless, and I literally have no clue which items to pick.