Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The invitation is also open from ccp to play eve, but you whine about basic mechanics ccp has repeatedly said is designed to work that way. You keep whining about being unable to defend against suicide ganks, that's only because you decide NOT to.
It's very easy to defend against a suicide gank. tank your ship so it requires at least 2 gankfit catalysts to kill. Set your overview settings to show -5 and lower pilots in local. it will show up as a RED marker. If you see more than 2 jump in at a time, go dock.

Congrats, you beat a suicide gank! That was difficult wasn't it? Your ideas come from a critical misunderstanding of basic game mechanics the vast majority of eve understands. The biggest misconception you seem to hold is that highsec is designed to be safe. Let us make this clear now. Highsec was, and will never be designed to be safe. This is not a flaw in the game, it is a feature. If you need this translated into any other language i will be happy to use Google Translate for that. Once again, CCP designed the game, to let pilots like you, get suicide ganked on a regular basis. If you want highsec to be safe, you have to fly safely. loading your Retriever with Mining Upgrades will get you killed. If you don't want to die, build a retriever that actually has a tank on it.

Instead of arguing with me now, you should ask me to explain more game mechanics to you, so you can ACTIVELY make yourself safer. Safety is not a right, or a privilege, it is something you have to protect and maintain.

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EVE does not, and never has made a guarantee such as this.

Plenty of PVP occurs in high security space via war declarations, non-consentual attacks, and dueling / engagement timers. People with low security status are already free-to-attack in high security space. (-5 or below)

CONCORD has never been about preventing violence. Just like the police IRL, CONCORD punishes people after-the-fact.

You are too new to understand how EVE works.

Also, you missed one more area of space: w-space.

This is so true. My main's first eight months were spent in Hisec, and my hisec alt (this guy) has spent almost his whole life in hisec. The only hisec ganks I've ever seen going down were one off the Hek undock, and one that I performed at the Rens undock (some guy was sitting off the undock in a pod and flashing criminal red, so I blew him away as I aligned to warp - serious ganking/PvP there). Oh, and a corp-mate got podded on the Amarr-Jita pipe whilst running through in the pod - he somehow got caught despite not being afk or on auto-pilot.

I've never come close to being shot at whilst mining. I've never had my hauler shot at (though I've never carried more than a few tens of millions in it at a time). I've never had anyone steal my wrecks while ratting or runs missions even. I have had a couple of cans flipped, way back when I couldn't yet fly a Retriever and mining destroyers were still a thing.

The contrast between this and losec - go through the wrong gate or have the wrong ship for that gate and you'll lose it, and nullsec - dead quiet most of the time, but with sudden bursts of ultraviolence, is very strong.


I think that the vast majority of hisec dwellers are okay with the risks, and see them as the cost of living there. They are actually less risk-averse, as a group, than the nullbears, IME.

tried offering prizes for api-confirmed kills ... ISD wasn't happy about it :(

As do many miners.

Players will often drop to an NPC corp to avoid a wardec, you can close and reopen a corp to avoid a wardec. Both mechanics were championed by miners and non PvP groups, both have ended up being used against the very people who wanted them.

Highsec is safer, it is not safe, never has been and never should be. Avoiding ganks requires actually paying attention, planning for the worst and hoping for the best. If mining, make the others in the belt more gankable by fitting appropriately, use local to keep an eye out for folks of a violent persuasion. If hauling, don't AP high value cargo, don't use T1 haulers for high value cargo.

Most people don't get ganked. The majority of those that do have usually done something daft, like autopilot a freighter full of shiny stuff through Uedama, and have noone to blame but themselves .

Cry me a river, better yet, FIT A BETTER SHIP!!!

Tired of HS Miner TEARS. Especially in light of the FACT that any given day I can go out and scan mining ships and come up with a 90-percentile population that fits for max mining and little-to-no tank.

So, my suggestions would be:

1) Quit being so greedy and fit some tank
2) fly in fleets w/ a rep on hand
3) look out in local
4) for extreme measure, create your own gank account. i.e. secondary garbage account in an ibis sitting next to you. Soon as a known ganker comes in system/grid, shoot someone... Concord arrives faster, your secondary account gets concorded, but your fleet is safer (for the short duration).

High Sec does NOT automatically equal SAFE, nor does it entitle you to believe otherwise. Guaranteed, if CCP ever changes their stance on this, thousands will quit and you will find yourself selling your ore to your alts.

There's more carebears hiding from wardecs in NPC corps that there is gankers doing the same. At some point they cross -5.0 sec and they can be shot anywhere, at any time without a war declaration - NPC corp or not. I'm sure if relative "safety" of NPC corporations was removed, there would be a sea of hisec bear-tears rather than the expected decrease in violence.

High security space is safe but not free of threats. If you're dumb you'll end up feeding the smarter ones - providing either financial gain (expensive mission boat hits, attacks on freighters, extorting miners) or amusement value (failed to pay your belt protection money? Well, guess what happens if you don't pay the mob. Bravely standing your ground against them works only in the movies unless you're packing some serious guns and friends - and if you do, you're probably not in hisec anyway.)

Plus, if Rubicon is anything to go by... it looks like CONCORD is slowly getting overwhelmed by capsuleer influence and industrial power. It kind of sucks to be a mortal now more than ever.

You should totally mail me in-game.

CONCORD got to be "instant death" because certain parties figured out how to actually blockade systems (CONCORD was tankable at the time, like the navies still are) and, IIRC m0o blockaded Yulai (the trade hub at the time) for several days.


For a long time (5-6 years) "assured ship destruction" was enough to keep all parties happy enough, but within the past 2.5-3 years (maybe a bit longer), the whiner sect got louder about how they shouldn't have to tank their mining barges and still be 100% safe in hisec.

This removed certain "CONCORD evasion" tactics that would allow you to get in 2-3 kills before finally getting caught by the cops, removed insurance payouts for CONCORD-induced ship losses, re-balanced barges to make them tankier (which caused all sorts of tears from the miners), and other things that I'm forgetting about. It wasn't all at once though (started with the small things, ended with new barges, IIRC).

Many of the players agree with you in some manner ... trouble is the whiners will never accept that "the orange PLAY button on the login screen launcher is your 'consenting to PVP' button"