Ships & Modules

After a long absence I returned back to EvE and took a good look what things changed during my absence and BOY A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2006!!! Primary reason for me to return anyways, it almost feels like a completely different game which is awesome!

Now to catch up with the changes I naturally hit the forums and browsed through ships and modules for fitting advices and the like. Back in 2006 the forum was a good place to ask for advice and you would quickly get good and workable fits.

Nowadays it seems it is pointless to ask for anything because you will receive the cookie cutter EFT all LEVEL 5 all TECH II fit without a thought for players who might not have 100 million skill points. Or even more asinine fittings that include deadspace mods aplenty. Has everyone gotten stupidly rich overnight or are those mods **** cheap? Well not according to my findings at the local trade hubs. So why provide people with perfect level 5 fittings at all especially if they are newer players, or returning old ones? Its not really helpful!

EFT fits are one thing but people might want to know how the none everything at level 5 none tech 2 but meta 3, meta 4 fit would hold its own for particular tasks outside of pure EFT theory crafting because I doubt everyone just bought their char with 100 million skill points.

So why not ask people about their amount of skill points first or start out with meta gear fittings before suggesting them fittings that would need a year to train for? Or several billion isks.

It is really idiotic to see fittings that include command ship boosters, pirate implants, drugs and everything overheated.
More constructive fittings advices would be nice because at the moment ships and modules feels like a bridge with lots of EFT trolls hiding under it.

First of all, all level V is a good golden standard. You base and compare your stats on those skills so you can compare fits in an unbiased manner (eg. "mine has 10k more EHP than yours", "Yeah, but I only have level II skills")

You can still fly the fit without all level V, but it's just a way to compare fits when you're trying to decide.

Secondly, T2 is quite common due to the relatively low skills needed for T2, not commonly actually needing all level V skills. T2 is also quite cheap usually.

Deadspace isn't all that cheap, but it isn't all that expensive either. You can earn over 100m an hour grinding incursions, so it's not too tough to get a hold of deadspace fittings where they are justified, such as on a more expensive hull where it can make a huge difference to survivability.

Most of my characters are 50m or less SP, but it only takes something like 25m SP to be fully specced into one thing, depending on what you're trying to max spec.

Also, as for the command boosts, everybody and their mom has an OGB alt these days. Assume that you're fighting someone with them every time.

As far as overheat, you should always overheat in PvP. Cruiser and under you'll be hard pressed to burn things out before one or the other explodes, or if you will burn out, it'll be pretty close to killing the enemy. Assume heat for most of the fight. Drugs are cheap and should be used when available too.

The only issue with some fits created at ALL V is stuff like tight powergrid fit that require and weapon upg V and such. If a newer player don't check it before buying some stuff, he can be stuck with it untill he trains weap upg V then adv weap upg V. A standard when theory crafting is good but for advice to newer player, the idea of a perfect char is kinda useless. I remmeber some threads recomending some 3 week old newbie to go for a fleet phoon because it's a super good ship for mission. It is indeed but getting sentries and cruise to T2 is quite long before the ship really start to shine.

The issue is more of checking who the audience of the tips is.

Really the problem is, and lets be honest people start a thread saying "I want to fly a -Insert ship here- what is the best fit.

How is that useful information for anyone to really offer up useful builds and/or fits. The more information people give at the start the better the responses.
If someone does put up a fitting with all tech2, look it over. go "hmm i can use some/most/none of those modules at the moment and start training. Use meta 4 modules during the training and watch the ships performance grow as your skills grow.

Really the response in regards to fitting comes down to the Original posts lack of information.

I also agree that training times to most tech 2 modules really isn't to bad. . The bad part is players getting side tracked and spreading skills thin.

False.


True.



That has nothing to do with a pilots current status whatsoever. Posting a fit that is relative to someone with low SP and ISK is completely exclusive of posting a fit that should be a pilots "end game" ship. You didn't start your Mach out with t2 guns, and quite frankly those who did would be more suited to HKO.

You don't need 100mil SP for all-T2 fits. As others have already said, all-T2 are usually posted as the "standard" because they're not too expensive and they're something you should be working toward anyway.

For a lot of modules, going from T1 to T2 is a big jump, and it's something you should be skilling toward anyway.

If you can't fit the T2 versions of stuff, just downgrade it to meta in EFT for yourself.

You *are* using EFT, right? Because it's a free download...and if you're not using it yourself, you're basically just asking everyone else to do all your work for you. Why should someone else have to do the hard work of figuring out what fits with your skills just because you're too lazy to do it yourself?

Other people don't know what your skills look like.

I made this thread because just the other day I saw a guy asking for a fitting to run level 3s, something a player capable of using an all tech II setup would hardly do or even ask about unless he ebayed his account, yet he was presented with a fitting that would have taken 90+ days to train for.

So what is the guy supposed to do in the mean time? Grind level 2s?
You can do many things in EvE without min maxing everything first, stating that you should max things out first is a quite WOWish approach and gives the wrong impression about the game!

As for the level V tech 2 as standard, how about a meta fitting as standard, because the meta fitting is much more useful since in most cases it won´t require perfect or near perfect fitting skills! Thats what people want to know! Not something they can use in 3 months but something they could use just about now!

All level 5 all tech 2 is the lazy mans answer its like to tell someone who is hungry to eat, quite obvious but less helpful!

No, T2 fits with all V's is the only reasonable standard, because it minimizes the effect of SP and displays the ideal fit for the ship.

You put that fit in EFT, and downgrade as needed and focus training to get that T2 gear needed, and work on your fitting skills.

Also remember that you can use fitting implants.

Strange I see dozens of people, barely a month old running level 3s.
So you are saying those people should twiddle their thumbs for 60 days minimum?
Thats an awesome advertisement, COME PLAY EVE FOR THE FIRST 60-90 days we suggest you just twiddle your thumbs and wait for your skill training to complete.

This is exactly what I am talking about, how about you present people with a setup that can be used successfully to do level 3s , not fast, not perfectly, you might loose your ship if you don´t pay attention but you could use it now instead of:: Hurr hurr you must min max everything first so come back in 60,90,120 days.

Its very simple, Charles. If he, like you, is willing to put no thought or effort into this game then he, like you, will just quit because its all so unfair.

What, you think we expect people to immediately fly all T2 fits? No, we give them a goal to work towards on a fit that still works well and is easy to fit if you meta 4 it yourself.

Or would you rather have people thinking that they can just meta 4 a battleship after a month and not explode in a horrible ball of fire in their first level 4?


Edit: you call me a troll, you evidently didn't read my post. See above. Door, way out, stuff pls.

How about YOU modify the fits and get all these new players killed with stupid sub-optimal missioning ships because they think thats the goal they should be working towards, while I sit here and encourage new players to put some thought and effort in themselves so that they not only do, they understand, and as such develop into good, competent players?

5/10 for effort in this troll thread.