Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This makes no sense and does not justify the actions.

I fully agree with this and I never claimed to have zero risk in High Sec, I have presented a few ideas, some prevent already known troublemakers but blocking known troublemakers does not mean all troublemakers are blocked, also, some of my ideas are suggestions to increase Security, thus, it does not prevent pilots flying anywhere they want.

This is something I can agree with.. Higher standings gives perks through better tax rates, better refining, etc. But there is no inherent perk of having a high security status. Certainly once your security status gets too low, it can be a little detrimental but getting your sec status well above normal gets you nothing.

I could see making it harder to get higher positive security status for some Concord related benefit.. Perhaps faster response times or something similar, it would still be possible to gank you but the higher your sec status, the faster someone would have to be, this would entail bringing more and more ships or more and more dps.

The price for a sec status that high would have to be steep, though. More than just "not being bad"

If they want to pay an EXTRA $15 a month to gank, then it's more money to CCP I guess.

Personally I can't see tears being worth quite that much.

Where are all these ganks and gankers?

My trade and industry toon spends the majority of its time in HiSec (and I have a lot of contacts there as I spent my first year and a half in game as a miner / manufacturer before starting my second account) and if just half of what is claimed on the forums were true I wouldn't be able to get my freighter close enough to a gate to activate it for the wrecks littering it.

There is a very vocal HiSec minority screaming for more safety when to be honest the majority of players I know are happy to take the minimal risks in HiSec and just get on with their business from day to day without expecting CCP to be their guardian angel every second they are online.

If anything a fair number of them are sick and tired of being misrepresented on the forums by an ultra-risk averse minority.

Maybe I just know an unusual group of people but I suspect not.


P.S. Not Supported in case that wasn't obvious enough.

Freighters is a different issue since there is potential major income and is counted as piracy which is well known to happen at any time. Monopolizing a sol or constellation or just ganking without no reason but to create frustration and irritation does not really benefit anyone. I highly doubt anyone ever pays the gankers free mining passage at least not the community I interact with, however, it still feels like the ganking is occuring a little more heavier today than they did for around six years ago and the monetary loss you face today running solo gameplay without a rich Corporation backing you up drives you to join the bigger corporations just to be left alone a little more than before and have support when you need it, or am I wrong? Losing a mining ship once a day to a ganker is not profitable.

Sigh, another "I want no risk of losing my ship in EVE" post. Exploitations, targeted ganks, and yes, even losing ships are all part of EVE. But at least its not a post about cargo scanners giving a person a criminal flag when used on a freighter lol... I see no reason to change high sec, rather, if you want to carebear safely go join a null sec mining alliance. That way you don't have to deal with anyone except a few belt rats.


In short, EVE is PVP oriented. That's how its always been and that's why EVE works, and with the new high sec POCO changes, it's about to get a lot hairier, so do yourself a favor and move somewhere else.


As for security status, It shouldn't be too big of a grind to regain that after you gank someone, otherwise people, well, never would. And yes, in EVE that's a problem. If no one ever loses a ship in high sec, then the available minerals would have to be drastically reduced to the point where there is nearly none available to the average miner to counter balance risk vs isk. And that, would cause even more competition in terms of ganking alts.


Also, PVP in EVE is NOT OPTIONAL. If you don't ever want to pvp the best way is to just stay docked. If it was optional, no one would ever lose a mining barge, or freighter, or even expensive officer fit battleships EVER. That would kill off part of EVE.

Again EVE is centered around PVP, so why should you be 100% safe anywhere when undocked. The sting of a loss is all part of the game, so get used to it. That's what makes EVE so awesome.

A lot of you people seem to think that Ganking somehow qualifies as PvP. Ganking in its nature involves killing someone who can't preemptively strike, Instantly. There is no fighting involved, the victim can do nothing other than hope they have enough buffer to survive the alpha. If you think this is PvP then you are a sad little person.
Even Security Status is a joke now since you can just buy it back to 0 anytime it gets low.
Also many gankers hide in NPC corps for the very reason of AVOIDING PvP by preventing war decs.

Well half the time gankers target miners they do it for the tears rather than the isk so it wouldn't matter that much.
Freighters on the other hand, are generally ganked for the isk but since they have no fitting options they're nothing you can do there at all but find cheap, high volume stuff to carry or fly with less efficiency with empty cargo space, which is definitely not PvP.

That was more to do with gank nados than gank destroyers because destys are all but impossible to kill before hand as they generally warp straight from a station to the target.
If you could wardec nado gankers it could stop them sitting around gates and stations waiting for targets.