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interesting topic ...americans dont want to be americans anymore

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2013-09-30 15:01:49 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:

secondly, in California, they may soon be able to get official state issued drivers licenses. Bill went though state legislature. Also, they may be able to work in polling places. You can't if you have a fellony, but if your an immigrant, you can.



I don't know why they are throwing such a fit in North Carolina over the fact of now having to show photo ID to vote.

I spent 17 years in San Francisco having to show my driver license every single time I voted.

Nobody ever complained. It's just the way it is.

What's the big deal ? I mean really.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#42 - 2013-09-30 15:08:19 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Graygor wrote:

Suppose if theyre young enough they can also join the military and earn their citizenship that way.


Catch-22 here, as I'm sure the Armed Services do require citizenship already.

Too bad it's not the same for going to flight school for 747 training Bear



let me guess, Reagans fault? Big smile

this comment, i will agree with you on.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#43 - 2013-09-30 15:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ano Regni wrote:

secondly, in California, they may soon be able to get official state issued drivers licenses. Bill went though state legislature. Also, they may be able to work in polling places. You can't if you have a fellony, but if your an immigrant, you can.



I don't know why they are throwing such a fit in North Carolina over the fact of now having to show photo ID to vote.

I spent 17 years in San Francisco having to show my driver license every single time I voted.

Nobody ever complained. It's just the way it is.

What's the big deal ? I mean really.



ohh i know. i showed my license when i lived in CA, and I Also do in AZ. Now, when states pass laws requiring it, it is ruled as disinfranchising because What? people can't afford the $5 it costs? or that it makes it harder for illegals to vote :) ?



edit:

fact, I remember voting to recall Gov Davis back in 2002 or 2004? can't remember exact year, for many issues including him pushing fir illegal imigrants to have State issued driver licenses. And i had to show my license then. i dont remember anyone feeling disinfranchised then.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#44 - 2013-09-30 15:34:47 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
The guy's only real problems are that he can't get an authentic (non-fake) drivers license, and he can never leave the U.S. If he does, he'll never get back in again. So he may never see mom, dad, or little sister again, unless he can somehow manage to bring them to the U.S. It's amazing how much crying these guys tend to do about that. They tend to feel victimized. Ugh Humans-- they're funny creatures.


Could always marry a native or pull off a sham wedding?

Suppose if theyre young enough they can also join the military and earn their citizenship that way.

Right, marrying a U.S. citizen will fix the situation. But it has to be a real marriage-- they have to live together and (here's the big one) show evidence of commingling their finances. It's hard to pull of the sham marriage thing these days. But people still try (the current going rate to marry a U.S. citizen is in New York City is $7,000-$8,000).

Then, here comes the plot twist-- once the guy finally gets his citizenship, a lot of times he dumps the spouse. Turns out he already had a wife back home, and now that he's a citizen he can sponsor her for a green card. It happens so much that the immigration officers really watch for it. They're pretty expert at sorting out marriage-family soap operas, spotting discrepancies in documents and chronologies, and just generally spotting any b.s. If there's any doubt, they'll deny the application. It's a pretty interesting job to have, I bet. Detective, body language reader, document analysis, interrogator, and final judge and jury.


Adunh Slavy
#45 - 2013-09-30 16:24:09 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Why do Americans now think "I'm Absolutely The Only Taxpayer Ever".



Krixtal, why do you have a problem with letting people decide what their tax dollars go to? Is it not enough that you ask someone else to steal on your behalf already?

Now surely as the typical statist, you will attempt to make the claim that tax is not theft. Ever try not paying your taxes? Sooner or later someone with a gun shows up at your door to put you in a cage, and if you resist, they'll shoot you.

Now would you do this your self, hold a gun to someone's head and demand they pay for your benefits? Probably not, it's simpler for you to vote for a politician that promises to get someone else to do it for you.

Statists, like your self, make every excuse for government theft, coercion and murder. Dress it up in any sad story you like, attempt to blur the lines between someone in need and someone not in need, it does not change the fact you advocate violence against other human beings by means of the state.

Now when you can square the round hole of advocating violence on the one hand and charity on the other, you let me know.

You want people to care for one another? Then stop pointing guns at them and demanding they pay for someone else.

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Bastiat

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2013-09-30 16:32:17 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Why do Americans now think "I'm Absolutely The Only Taxpayer Ever".



Krixtal, why do you have a problem with letting people decide what their tax dollars go to? Is it not enough that you ask someone else to steal on your behalf already?

Now surely as the typical statist, you will attempt to make the claim that tax is not theft. Ever try not paying your taxes? Sooner or later someone with a gun shows up at your door to put you in a cage, and if you resist, they'll shoot you.

Now would you do this your self, hold a gun to someone's head and demand they pay for your benefits? Probably not, it's simpler for you to vote for a politician that promises to get someone else to do it for you.

Statists, like your self, make every excuse for government theft, coercion and murder. Dress it up in any sad story you like, attempt to blur the lines between someone in need and someone not in need, it does not change the fact you advocate violence against other human beings by means of the state.

Now when you can square the round hole of advocating violence on the one hand and charity on the other, you let me know.

You want people to care for one another? Then stop pointing guns at them and demanding they pay for someone else.

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Bastiat



Build your own roads next time. They are not that expensive.

(Yes, that was the sound of another collapsing bridge over a grand American River)

Believe me, I used to think like you as well. At some point, we do grow up though, and realize it's best for Americans to support America and other Americans, and not ones own self-serving interests just because we don't like something.

Why do they not go after charlatan religious organizations for tax money, if you really want to go into a weirdness factor. Billions of dollars freely given to churches every year and not a tax dollar paid (and they even get free secure police monitored roadblocks for parking on the streets in San Francisco on Sundays.)

Yes folks, free security and monitored street parking by overtime officers and not a single cent is paid. At all.

And all because they claim association with a fictional god.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Adunh Slavy
#47 - 2013-09-30 16:37:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Build your own roads next time. They are not that expensive.

(Yes, that was the sound of another collapsing bridge over a grand American River)

Believe me, I used to think like you as well. At some point, we do grow up though, and realize it's best for Americans to support America and other Americans, and not ones own self-serving interests just because we don't like something.


So predicable, so much in fact, I got another quote from Bastiat all lined up for ya:

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain. "

Oh and just have to point out, you completely ignored the moral responsibility of your own actions in your reply. Also predictable. If you had to face the reality of what it is you advocate, then you'd have to justify it. Instead, make excuse and go off on some religion tangent.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-09-30 16:47:07 UTC
Hahaha, good riddance!

More America for me Cool

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#49 - 2013-09-30 16:53:20 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Oh and just have to point out, you completely ignored the moral responsibility of your own actions in your reply. Also predictable. If you had to face the reality of what it is you advocate, then you'd have to justify it. Instead, make excuse and go off on some religion tangent.


Why are we not taxing churches if there isn't enough money to feed people already ? The churches certainly are not feeding them adequately.

You just don't like the fact that there are 2 sides to every story that deserve to be heard. That's called a democracy.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#50 - 2013-09-30 16:58:12 UTC
thats not really fair to state, because a lot of church Org's are 501c3's and gifting is supported Under tax code. A lot of churches are 501C3 because they rely on tithes (gift/donations) and make no profit. i believe Under the tax code, your alotted X amount per year before you have to pay tax, not sure whatt that figure is off hand. think its more than $10,000 though. Plus, I think there are further excemptions if your gifting to charity.

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Adunh Slavy
#51 - 2013-09-30 17:03:35 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Oh and just have to point out, you completely ignored the moral responsibility of your own actions in your reply. Also predictable. If you had to face the reality of what it is you advocate, then you'd have to justify it. Instead, make excuse and go off on some religion tangent.


Why are we not taxing churches if there isn't enough money to feed people already ? The churches certainly are not feeding them adequately.

You just don't like the fact that there are 2 sides to every story that deserve to be heard. That's called a democracy.



No, that's not democracy, that's a slogan from CNN.


And why are you still avoiding the moral responsibility of what it is you advocate? Do you not want to face up to the fact that you endorse theft, violence and murder by means of the government upon your fellow Americas? You claim to care so much about them, so why do you advocate violence against them? Or is it just an excuse, a lie - Parrot wants a cracker from The State.


Cognitive dissonance. Get over it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2013-09-30 17:07:55 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
A lot of churches are 501C3 because they rely on tithes (gift/donations) and make no profit.


Starting from zero, as they do, even one dollar towards a church is a profit.........

A profit they now use to build ridiculous structures costing tens of millions of dollars.

They put their profit-making up for public display quite plainly. Have done it for over a thousand years in fact.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2013-09-30 17:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Adunh Slavy wrote:


No, that's not democracy, that's a slogan from CNN.


And why are you still avoiding the moral responsibility of what it is you advocate? Do you not want to face up to the fact that you endorse theft, violence and murder by means of the government upon your fellow Americas? You claim to care so much about them, so why do you advocate violence against them? Or is it just an excuse, a lie - Parrot wants a cracker from The State.


Cognitive dissonance. Get over it.



Feeding people food and making sure they have descent healthcare is violent ? What horrific dystopian parallel universe are you living in ?



edit: I don't watch CNN ever. Or FOX. I have an education though.

An education paid for by your tax dollars......and the horrendous property taxes on my parent's house in Houston Texas. They did not complain.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#54 - 2013-09-30 17:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Social Darwinism is great, until the day you end up at the one at the bottom of the food chain. Because of disability, lay off, natural disaster, economical bust of your industry sector, obsolence of your skill/training set, infirmity of a family member, or any other factor that isn't wholly under your personal control. And there are a lot of complex factors at play in modern society. Just because people are down on their luck doesn't necessarily mean they're lazy or stupid.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#55 - 2013-09-30 17:17:31 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Social Darwinism is great, until the day you end up the one at the bottom of the food chain. Because of disability, lay off, natural disaster, economical bust of your industry sector, obsolence of your skill/training set, infirmity of a family member, or any other factor that isn't wholly under your personal control. And there are a lot of complex factors at play in modern society. Just because people are down on their luck doesn't necessarily mean they're lazy or stupid.


Thank you good sir.

America doesn't work anymore for failure now to even acknowledge the other side as existing at all. See Congress at this very moment......or any of the contrarians above who posted above. It's 350,000,000 individuals all shouting "My way or the Highway or No Way".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Adunh Slavy
#56 - 2013-09-30 17:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Feeding people food and making sure they have descent healthcare is violent ? What horrific dystopian parallel universe are you living in ?


Just can't help your self can you. Let me repost it, perhaps you missed it:

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all."

And I should point out, I never said feeding the poor or health care were violent. You are making the claim I said that. That's called a strawman argument.

Forced taxation by means of first the velvet glove, then the iron fist, is the where the violence resides. I simply suggested that people get to vote on where their tax dollars go, and you come to conclude I said feeding the poor was violent? Please do listen to your self.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

edit: I don't watch CNN ever. Or FOX. I have an education though.


Most people can recognize back handed insults, so can I. Is this really what you must now do, back handed personal insults?

Do please continue along your predictable argumentative path. Instead of facing up to the morals of what it is you advocate, you have to throw around insults.

You claim to be such a caring person, full of vapid slogans like "feed the poor". Of course that makes you sound so moral and full of virtue, the empty slogans of a politician.

Yet you need to stoop to backhanded insults in your defense of the violence of the state.

Your little moral compass rings hollow.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#57 - 2013-09-30 17:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
^ ^ look how upset it's getting. Lol

ed: ........and people used to say us San Franciscans were weird and radical.

Sorry dude, I'm a 48 year old curmudgeon of a middle aged fa**ot whose mind you have not the power to alter or change, not now, not ever.

You just can't stand that fact can you ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Adunh Slavy
#58 - 2013-09-30 17:59:19 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
^ ^ look how upset it's getting. Lol



Aww, isn't that cute.

Keep making my point for me, avoiding the moral responsibility of what it is you advocate.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2013-09-30 18:06:14 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
^ ^ look how upset it's getting. Lol



Aww, isn't that cute.

Keep making my point for me, avoiding the moral responsibility of what it is you advocate.


What am I supposed to do about this moral responsibility you speak of. Fast ? Crucify myself in front of everyone between two thieves ? What the f*** do you want ?

You make no rational sense ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#60 - 2013-09-30 18:08:45 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:


Do please continue along your predictable argumentative path.


My constant changing of examples and divertings of the issue to get you off your high horse hardly qualifies as an argumentative path with any logic whatsoever. And I'll be the first to say so.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882