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Rubicon Expansion - Personal Depot Question

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#61 - 2013-09-29 08:10:40 UTC
Freako X wrote:
Right now, it is difficult to actively impact systems deep in a large alliances sovereignty.

I feel the large null alliances have many afk systems deep in their regions. Having a home-base that is exceptionally difficult to find unless the ship is docked at the fitting depot allows small groups of players (can even be from opposing alliances) to shrink large alliance logistic lines. Forcing them to keep more ships close to home to defend their renters, isk-making regions, etc.

I think people from large alliances want them to be easily located out of fear. They LIKE their null-bear zones where they can make isk via rent, ice-mining, anom running, etc in peace.

I say this when I have a null-bear account as well. This would potentially impact my isk-making ... but it would make the game so much more dynamic that it is worth it.


Well, EVE development revolves around the idea that the game should be harsh and have a better risk/reward balance...

...for the other players, because "WE" are already playing it "right"...

In my view, a large alliance has the advantage of being able to log in 24/7 and watch my moves as soon as I log in. That is advantage enough, there is no need to put a giant bullseye they can locate if they as much as try to find it while i'm not even logged in.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-09-29 08:19:23 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:

so you want less fights? that's all the cyno jammer is causing if it works instantly.


Hint: Not everyone gets their fights by cynoing in on top of one another.

also, covert cyno gen.

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Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#63 - 2013-09-30 11:36:15 UTC
I understood the personal depot cannot be scanned by probes, but what about dscan?
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-09-30 12:23:02 UTC
Salpad wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Salpad wrote:
What is the depot even supposed to do? I gave up on this silly TVitchy thing long ago, so I still haven't seen the release video. I'm waiting for it to arrive on YouTube.

It's recorded on Twitch, and Twitch is going to be integrated in EVE online, are you seriously waiting till it uploads on a different website?


I've tried using TVitchy two times, and both times given up in disgust. It's a stupid kind of service, compared to YouTube, and it makes no logical sense for CCP to choose to release new material there.



You aren't the only one.

Try back-clicking in that thing to back up & replay a portion where accents made it hard to hear what's said. It restarted the entire twitch thing from the beginning.

And this is aimed at being integrated into EVE online? That is a nasty effect; making it pretty damned worthless for long vids where details at spots will be of importance to an audience.

Yeah I want to find it on youtube or some other service where the player won't pull that crap on me with an over 1 hour video.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#65 - 2013-09-30 12:24:04 UTC
Witchking Angmar wrote:
I understood the personal depot cannot be scanned by probes, but what about dscan?


Where did you get that idea from?

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#66 - 2013-09-30 12:35:52 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Witchking Angmar wrote:
I understood the personal depot cannot be scanned by probes, but what about dscan?


Where did you get that idea from?



Yeah that would be silly :D

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Nicola Arman
Deep Maw Salvage
#67 - 2013-09-30 12:43:07 UTC
The T3 fitting service should be available on a new type of wormhole derived Space Depot....

AWESOME IDEA!
Nicola Arman
Deep Maw Salvage
#68 - 2013-09-30 12:43:47 UTC
Nicola Arman wrote:
The T3 fitting service should be available on a new type of wormhole derived Space Depot....

AWESOME IDEA!


AND BE CLOAKABLE!!! maybe...
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#69 - 2013-09-30 12:48:43 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Witchking Angmar wrote:
I understood the personal depot cannot be scanned by probes, but what about dscan?


Where did you get that idea from?


Who knows? Maybe she thought that a stalker whe leaves behind a beacon broadcasting his location 24/7 even when he's not using it is a really really stupid stalker... Roll

(I'm not suggesting that making the yurt scannable 24/7 by every last goon and his uncle is a stupid idea. Just that it only makes sense to some of the parts involved, which accidentally are not the parts intended to benefit from the depot)

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#70 - 2013-09-30 12:52:28 UTC
Altrue wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Witchking Angmar wrote:
I understood the personal depot cannot be scanned by probes, but what about dscan?


Where did you get that idea from?



Yeah that would be silly :D


Totally beyond what words can convey; the whole idea of poking the big guys is to give them your adress so they can come and burn your house to the basement as they please...

...once it exits reinforcement mode while you're supposed to be sleeping in the real world. Roll

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#71 - 2013-09-30 13:00:04 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Freako X wrote:
I hope it has a very small signature so it would require exceptional scanning skills to locate it. If they are to help with hit and run tactics, then people need to NOT be able to locate it by scanning for the module. Scanning for a ship docked to it? Yes. If the little guy wants to have staying power vs. the big bad alliances in Null .... then locating the mini-chop-shop needs to be difficult when it is floating around in space.


It really makes sense, doesn't it? But then this feature has been developed by and for the big guys, in order to feed them with easily squishable targets.


grrr grrr

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#72 - 2013-09-30 13:03:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Freako X wrote:
Right now, it is difficult to actively impact systems deep in a large alliances sovereignty.

I feel the large null alliances have many afk systems deep in their regions. Having a home-base that is exceptionally difficult to find unless the ship is docked at the fitting depot allows small groups of players (can even be from opposing alliances) to shrink large alliance logistic lines. Forcing them to keep more ships close to home to defend their renters, isk-making regions, etc.

I think people from large alliances want them to be easily located out of fear. They LIKE their null-bear zones where they can make isk via rent, ice-mining, anom running, etc in peace.

I say this when I have a null-bear account as well. This would potentially impact my isk-making ... but it would make the game so much more dynamic that it is worth it.


Well, EVE development revolves around the idea that the game should be harsh and have a better risk/reward balance...

...for the other players, because "WE" are already playing it "right"...

In my view, a large alliance has the advantage of being able to log in 24/7 and watch my moves as soon as I log in. That is advantage enough, there is no need to put a giant bullseye they can locate if they as much as try to find it while i'm not even logged in.


Yes dozens of alliances each have a 24/7 team dedicated to watching your movements.

It's totally true.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#73 - 2013-09-30 13:05:36 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Witchking Angmar wrote:
I understood the personal depot cannot be scanned by probes, but what about dscan?


Where did you get that idea from?


More rebalance threads. ** cough cough **
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#74 - 2013-09-30 13:20:54 UTC
Which corps will sell BPO/BPC for this item?
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#75 - 2013-09-30 13:27:28 UTC
details ccp? I want details!
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#76 - 2013-09-30 13:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Malcanis wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Freako X wrote:
Right now, it is difficult to actively impact systems deep in a large alliances sovereignty.

I feel the large null alliances have many afk systems deep in their regions. Having a home-base that is exceptionally difficult to find unless the ship is docked at the fitting depot allows small groups of players (can even be from opposing alliances) to shrink large alliance logistic lines. Forcing them to keep more ships close to home to defend their renters, isk-making regions, etc.

I think people from large alliances want them to be easily located out of fear. They LIKE their null-bear zones where they can make isk via rent, ice-mining, anom running, etc in peace.

I say this when I have a null-bear account as well. This would potentially impact my isk-making ... but it would make the game so much more dynamic that it is worth it.


Well, EVE development revolves around the idea that the game should be harsh and have a better risk/reward balance...

...for the other players, because "WE" are already playing it "right"...

In my view, a large alliance has the advantage of being able to log in 24/7 and watch my moves as soon as I log in. That is advantage enough, there is no need to put a giant bullseye they can locate if they as much as try to find it while i'm not even logged in.


Yes dozens of alliances each have a 24/7 team dedicated to watching your movements.

It's totally true.


Well, that you endorse a new feature which favors being a big guy and penalizes being a small guy with the excuse of helping the small guy is just expectable...

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#77 - 2013-09-30 13:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Because it's a sop. You can't benefit individuals over voluntary collections of individuals without utterly breaking the game.

At most you can offer new tools to create opportunities for the individual or smaller groups to outplay larger groups, but that still requires the quality of you "outplaying" others. As usual, you want your "solo player" invincibility, which you will never ever get. Ever. Full stop. Quit Eve, or at the very least quit posting about it.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#78 - 2013-09-30 13:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Varius Xeral wrote:
Because it's a sop. You can't benefit individuals over voluntary collections of individuals without utterly breaking the game.

At most you can offer new tools to create opportunities for the individual or smaller groups to outplay larger groups, but that still requires the quality of you "outplaying" others. As usual, you want your "solo player" invincibility, which you will never ever get. Ever. Full stop. Quit Eve, or at the very least quit posting about it.


Depots that cloak while the player is offline don't harm the ability to detect both player and depot while he's online and actually using them.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-09-30 13:56:44 UTC
Non sequitur.

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Danbar Roth
Tax Avoidance LTD
#80 - 2013-09-30 13:59:33 UTC
Do we know what kinda hold space their will be in them?