Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In anticipation of an eventual T3 strategic cruiser rebalance, I decided to take a stab at the Caldari Tengu (changes highlighted in bold).

Tengu Defensive
Supplemental Screening takes a big hit (50%) and shield boosters are slightly reduced with Amplification Node.

Adaptive Shielding ... +4% shield resistances, +10% shield transporter

Supplemental Screening ... 5%(-5) shield hitpoints

Amplification Node ... 7.5%(-2.5) shield booster

Warfare Processor ... 2% warfare effectiveness

Tengu Electronics
The CPU Efficiency Gate is the 'odd duck', so it's been given some anti-neutralizer capability. The Obfuscation Manifold sees a slight reduction in ECM range and an increase to gravimetric strength.

CPU Efficiency Gate ... 5% CPU output, 2.5%(+2.5) neutralizer reflect / 65km, 18 points, 210mm

Dissolution Sequencer ... 15% sensor strength, 5% targeting range / 75km, 20 points, 235mm

Emergent Locus Analyzer ... 10% probe strength, 20% tractor range/velocity / 65km, 20 points, 250mm

Obfuscation Manifold ... 10%(-2.5) ECM optimal range / 70km, 20(+4) points, 250mm

Tengu Engineering
The only engineering change is an anti-leech component to the Supplemental Coolant Injector, so combined with the CPU Gate this provides a few interesting changes well-suited to PvP.

Augmented Capacitor Reservoir ... 5% capacitor / 1225 GJ capacitor, 600 MW grid, +1.0 launcher

Capacitor Regeneration ... 5% capacitor recharge / 2100 GJ capacitor, 825 MW grid

Power Core Multiplier ... 5% power output / 1225 GJ capacitor, 555 MW grid, +1.0 turret

Supplemental Coolant Injector ... 5% heat damage, 5%(+5) leech reflect / 1225 GJ capacitor, 825 MW grid

Tengu Offensive
Accelerated Ejection Bay sees a slight reduction in rate of fire (it's not extremely overgunned) and Covert Reconfiguration sees a two-fold increase to rate of fire (contrary to popular belief, the Tengu has one of the weakest Covert setups - so this gives it a deadly first strike ability). No change to Magnetic Infusion Basin with the medium rail buff. Rifling Launcher Pattern gets the biggest change with explosion radius and explosion velocity bonuses, which when combined with drones give it a lot more options for offensive or defensive strategies.

Accelerated Ejection Bay ... 5% kinetic missile damage, 5%(-2.5%) missile rate of fire, 10% heavy/assault velocity

Covert Reconfiguration ... 10%(+5) missile rate of fire, 100% cloaking reduction

Magnetic Infusion Basin ... 5% medium hybrid turrets, 20% optimal range

Rifling Launcher Pattern ... 10% ECM strength, 5% missile rate of fire, 5%(+5) explosion radius, 5%(+5) explosion velocity

Tengu Propulsion
No changes to any of the propulsion systems.

Fuel Catalyst ... 10% afterburner / 160 m/s velocity, 0.387 inertia

Gravitational Capacitor ... 15% warp speed, 15% warp capacitor / 175 m/s velocity, 0.387 inertia

Intercalated Nanofibers ... 5% agility / 165 m/s velocity , 0.43 inertia

Interdiction Nullifier ... 5% agility / 155 m/s velocity, 0.559 inertia

Comments welcome (feel free to share any rebalancing ideas for the other strategic cruisers).

Adaptive Shielding ... +4% shield resistances, +10% shield transporter
Supplemental Screening ... 5%(-5) shield hitpoints

Guess which of the two is better?

Accelerated Ejection Bay ... 5% kinetic missile damage, 5%(-2.5%) missile rate of fire, 10% heavy/assault velocity
Covert Reconfiguration ... 10%(+5) missile rate of fire, 100% cloaking reduction

Guess which of the two is better?

OP you are dumb. This is not a personal attack, just a fact that you can't do the most basic math.
Good thing CCP doesn't put players in charge of rebalance.

IMO nerfing the actual HP on the buffer sub-systems is the wrong way to go about it - they should however get penalties that are inline with that level of tank i.e. sig bloom and in the case of the armor ones also a bit more of an agility penalty.

Supplemental screening for instance is basically a battlecruiser stat sub-system so should get +252 (give or take) sig instead of +157.

Now that I've done the math, I see that this would make the covert sub op, especially considering that a buff in dps isn't needed. However, if it was buffed I think a 5% velocity bonus would be more appropriate.

Respect.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Player run rebalance based off of fourms where only 10% of the playerbase even posts if that has ALWAYS and will always be fail.

Remedial third grade arithmetic - try it. Covert Reconfiguration supports a maximum of five (5) launchers.

Accelerated Ejection Bay ... 6 launchers x 1.25 ROF = 7.5 launchers equivalent

Covert Reconfiguration ... 5 launchers x 1.5 ROF = 7.5 launchers equivalent

There's also no missile velocity or kinetic damage bonus on the Covert Reconfiguration.


Respectfully, maybe you should check the math again (see above). As for the shield modules, you receive one less mid slot with Adaptive Shielding. Nonetheless...

Adaptive Shielding ... 5233.75 shield (20% EM), 3124.44 armor (10% explosive), 2076 hull (0%) = 10434.19 defense

Supplemental Screening ... 5233.75 shield (0% EM), 3124.44 armor (10% explosive), 2076 hull (0%) = 10434.19 defense

You're right. I obviously suck at math...
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And yes, I agree with the power grid nerf - but I just wanted to tweak some of the sub-systems, so I left it essentially the same in the first draft. Would an across-the-board 50% power grid nerf to engineering subsystems be too extreme? (capacitor remains the same) With ancillary rigs, power reactors and implants you *might* still be able to run a 100MN afterburner - but you'd all but sacrifice offensive and defensive capabilities.

This would result in fitting changes to things like medium shield extenders, medium shield boosters, medium batteries and of course, cruiser size afterburners and microwarpdrives.

I'm concerned about the knock on effect of doing that, has potential to make the game a lot more bland. Something that seems to have been increasingly lost sight of lately with development that not everyone is a flavor of the month/cookie cutter fit player and without stuff like the current incarnation of tech3s they'd lose a lot of interest in the game and either play it less or play other stuff instead.

Maybe its just me but that sounds pretty boring, tech3s are a lot of what keeps me interested in the game, the rest is pretty much bread and butter, nerfing them towards bread and butter doesn't do it for me.

Definitely don't think they should become any more powerful than they are and there are 1-2 configurations in isolation that do need reigning in - IMO a lot of the rest just need appropriate trade offs for the stats as per my example above.