Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So in essence give more Free Intel out from the Gate Logs? And this a good idea because?

Right now if I jump into a system that isn't a pipe\tunnel system with, oh I don't know say, 3 gates and 1 gate is camped the campers don't know which gate I just jumped in from. They have to guess. They know I'm there cos I'm visible in Local but with Gate Logs they'd know exactly which gate and at what time my session-change\cloak will drop.

Think about it for a minute, it'll sink in why that would be a bad idea.

The aspect some may be missing, is that EVE is competitive.

You may not be shooting at someone directly, but with limited resources in the game, and a first come first serve set of mechanics in place, you are trying to be one of the players who reaches the ISK before it runs out.

Now, this version of Local STILL tells you who is in open space, and not cloaked. You are still being handed free intel, but with the understanding it has gaps in it.

No station dwellers, no outpost dwellers, and noone actually making an effort to hide with a cloak.

All of these require more effort to know about, which is perfectly appropriate since it took them effort in order to be hidden.

This is a good thing.

You did not specify that detail, but one of those who replied mentioned going up to a gate directly to get it's activity information.

They, on the other hand, did not seem to specify who came through beyond 15 minutes, only when activations occurred within that period.

It might be prudent to mount Observer Probes at gate locations, and have a covops capable of monitoring them.
That would be OP with existing local, but not a bad aspect to consider used with this version.

They would simply log pilot name, and ship type, and send that information directly to the CovOps pilot.
They could be targeted, and destructible, by those seeking to conceal details on ships coming afterwards.
They could be limited to in system use only, meaning the covops pilot needs to be present and online in the same system to use them.
They could have a limited life span, anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours before burning out. (Skill level or dev choice)

They are simply the EVE equivalent of security cameras.

1. Stealth bomber is not shown in local, but he warps on grid with a pve ship worth 500 mil.
2. Stealth bomber decloaks right next to a pve ship.
3. PVE player sees the hostile stealth bomber in local at the same time as he sees the ship on overview, the point, the missiles, and the cyno.
4. Ah crap, there is zero chance to evade, even though the dscan was used diligently and the player was very keen about the intel and the local and everything. Crap! Call for help.
5. Try to lock and kill him; 15-30s to lock.
6. 50 hostiles come through cyno. Dozen friends break off rescue re-shipping and warp alignments, etc.
7. PVE ship and pod go pop in seconds and hostiles disappear again; gone before any organized defense can come together.

Thoughts?

So wait, the idea proposed by this thread is to eliminate the "problem" of AFK cloakies (and I use quotation marks because the threat of someone asleep at the wheel is a subject of debate on these forums) by upgrading the intel that local provides? It was my understanding that the fact local acts as an intel tool to begin with instead of something that creates communication and leaves intelligence gathering to something else that engages players was the problem. So this is going backwards. The solution to a broken mechanic isn't to break it more.

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Why don't we remove local in low and null sec? Treat it like some of the chat channels. You show up when you say something.

Force people to work together to do anom's, pvp, etc. Get people to actively use d-scan and probes.

I say this when I am a pretty casual player that solo's most of the time. I have a null-bear account too!

"Intel"? That's a joke, right? D-scan is intel, probe-scanning is intel. Local is carebearing.

Then I will add #8: All players know that stealth bombers will grab point and cyno with 0s warning. All ops vulnerable to a hotdropping stealth bomber will cease.

Further Predictions extending from #8: No pve ops are conducted in null sec. PVP'ers can't stand pve in their pvp ships and pve'ers move their ops to somewhere with local operating or else within the protection of Concord and without wardecs. All ships and resources are imported from null into local-less space. PVP'ers only engage with blobs in hopes that their blob is bigger than the enemy blob and with cyno's to augment their blobs as needed. Players only undock in blobs for fear that a blob sits outside of each station, if they dock at all, or scouts are required for all undocks. The list goes on and on.

Your idea has merit, Nick. I still see issues with cloaked cynos, tbph. Also, if a stealth bomber enters a system with a lot of bubbles around a gate AND a covert scanning ship with friends, burning back to the gate seems to be the only option which makes camped bubbles particularly effective at securing regions of space at choke points. Feedback?

If pvp'ers were smart enough to do it AND had enough restraint to NOT get on the kill mail, then yes. A rare combination.