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X Rebirth mining actually looks... you know... fun?

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Greenmachine Sale
Cathars
#1 - 2013-09-29 03:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Greenmachine Sale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thnJTvXtkFs

skip to 07:40

why eve online mining no fun like this Sad

also inb4 like whores
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-29 03:24:41 UTC
You must not be a miner. Try playing 2 Hulks and a Orca, That will keep you too busy to be bored Pirate

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#3 - 2013-09-29 03:36:54 UTC
You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?

Hooray for AFK
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-09-29 03:46:11 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?

Hooray for AFK


Again, you must not mine, 2 hulks and a orca, your switching screens and dumping every minute. It's actually more work then :"Primary asshat1, secondary asshat2, primarary asshat1 secondary asshat2 " targete F1 repeat *yawn*

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
#5 - 2013-09-29 03:49:07 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?

Hooray for AFK


I watched the video and there are 2 ways to mine silly.

1. You can tell your other mining ships to mine for you if you want to do other things in the game (smart)

2. If you mine yourself it is far more rewarding (also smart)

so yeah haha
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#6 - 2013-09-29 03:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ave Kathrina
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Ave Kathrina wrote:
You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?

Hooray for AFK


Again, you must not mine, 2 hulks and a orca, your switching screens and dumping every minute. It's actually more work then :"Primary asshat1, secondary asshat2, primarary asshat1 secondary asshat2 " targete F1 repeat *yawn*



Logged in right now with an orca, 3 mack and 2 retties....

If you think an orca and 2 hulks is busy.. well then you should go and count to potato

Also - I think naming your pilots 'asshat' might be a viloation of the Eula
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-29 04:12:58 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Ave Kathrina wrote:
You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?

Hooray for AFK


Again, you must not mine, 2 hulks and a orca, your switching screens and dumping every minute. It's actually more work then :"Primary asshat1, secondary asshat2, primarary asshat1 secondary asshat2 " targete F1 repeat *yawn*



Logged in right now with an orca, 3 mack and 2 retties....

If you think an orca and 2 hulks is busy.. well then you should go and count to potato

Also - I think naming your pilots 'asshat' might be a viloation of the Eula


No,I consider 2 hulks and orca a slow down from over a year of WH mining (mostly solo). If you using mac's then your Orca is just on for bonuses. But then your not max mining, your afk mining. I wasn't doing that even before I went down the rabbits hole. I came out for the slowed down pace of highsec mining( and a serious need for several hundred million veld for my projects) . Took me weeks to deprogram myself from hitting d-scan every 2 seconds.

What I'm getting at is I'm tired of people saying that mining is boring and it needs to be made more active. Just like PVP, it's as active as you make it. And I've been more bored in PVP fleets than I have in mining, it's what you make of it.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2013-09-29 05:14:58 UTC
Two things that X does differently in mining, if you look at just the process rather than the mechanics:

  • Asteroid fields are huge
  • Asteroid fields are full of junk


The asteroid fields in X Rebirth are huge: the guy says that you will save time picking out just the most valuable rocks. In EVE, a typical asteroid field in hisec will fill an Orca or two. This represents about an hour of effort for a small mining fleet, and the effort of picking out just the most valuable rocks is not worth the return over simply vacuuming up the entire belt.

There is also a lot of junk in X Rebirth, as opposed to EVE. The asteroids in EVE will tend towards being equal in value in terms of ISK/hr since many miners will be mining only the ore that is most valuable per unit volume. To balance this out, CCP could remove the asteroid type from the overview, and add lots of junk. So rather than seeing "Asteroid (Veldspar)" you would simply see "Asteroid". Some of the asteroids will be "Gneiss" while others will be "Flawed Gneiss" (a Gneiss-type asteroid whose ore refines to nothing, or is un-refinable).

So by making asteroid belts huge and adding lots of "junk" asteroids, the intelligent miner who surveys the field first and then picks the most valuable asteroids to mine will be rewarded for paying attention. The "Hoover fleets" will become less profitable because they will be vacuuming up lots of junk.

Ideally belts would respawn randomly, rather than having the same asteroid reappearing in the same spot. This would prevent people bookmarking points from where to cherry-pick the very best rocks in a belt immediately after each downtime.

We don't need first-person-shooter style mining in EVE, but X Rebirth does have some great ideas on how to make interactive mining more rewarding, and especially rewarding for fleets who have a mixture of surveyors and miners.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2013-09-29 05:19:42 UTC
I read the thread all the way to "intelligent miner". I deserve a prize.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#10 - 2013-09-29 05:22:47 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
What I'm getting at is I'm tired of people saying that mining is boring and it needs to be made more active. Just like PVP, it's as active as you make it. And I've been more bored in PVP fleets than I have in mining, it's what you make of it.


Yup, I basically feel the same: mining is (mostly) fine just as it is. It is the stuff that happens around mining that makes it interesting. There are a few things I'd tweak (witness my previous post) to reduce the predictability without turning mining into an activity that requires as much attention as roaming fleet PvP.

The Orca has 70km survey range. The Survey Scanner shows us what each asteroid is made of. But then all the asteroids are labelled for us already: someone has kindly surveyed all the asteroids and submitted that information to CONCORD so that our overviews dutifully show us, "Asteroid (Golden Omber)". So most of our Orcas wander around with no survey scanner fitted, and only the most anal-retentive miners use survey scanners, and even then it's only to determine when to stop mining a rock.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2013-09-29 05:23:59 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I read the thread all the way to "intelligent miner". I deserve a prize.


Only in the USA where they have the "no child left behind" policy under which even the illiterate students get reading awards.

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Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#12 - 2013-09-29 05:30:07 UTC
It doesn't look all that exhilarating, it's just aiming and clicking at rocks.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#13 - 2013-09-29 05:48:17 UTC
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
It doesn't look all that exhilarating, it's just aiming and clicking at rocks.


That must be it then, its the aiming part.
The one thing that eve does not have. ^^


Anyway, ofc this game makes it look better, it is a single player game after all so you dont have all these syncing issues you have with online games.
Also that x rebirth is a bit newer then eve, only by a few years though.... like close to 15 years if you start counting from when they started developing.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#14 - 2013-09-29 07:11:25 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I read the thread all the way to "intelligent miner". I deserve a prize.


Only in the USA where they have the "no child left behind" policy under which even the illiterate students get reading awards.


Even illiterate kids don't like mining.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#15 - 2013-09-29 07:35:50 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Two things that X does differently in mining, if you look at just the process rather than the mechanics:

  • Asteroid fields are huge
  • Asteroid fields are full of junk


The asteroid fields in X Rebirth are huge: the guy says that you will save time picking out just the most valuable rocks. In EVE, a typical asteroid field in hisec will fill an Orca or two. This represents about an hour of effort for a small mining fleet, and the effort of picking out just the most valuable rocks is not worth the return over simply vacuuming up the entire belt.

There is also a lot of junk in X Rebirth, as opposed to EVE. The asteroids in EVE will tend towards being equal in value in terms of ISK/hr since many miners will be mining only the ore that is most valuable per unit volume. To balance this out, CCP could remove the asteroid type from the overview, and add lots of junk. So rather than seeing "Asteroid (Veldspar)" you would simply see "Asteroid". Some of the asteroids will be "Gneiss" while others will be "Flawed Gneiss" (a Gneiss-type asteroid whose ore refines to nothing, or is un-refinable).

So by making asteroid belts huge and adding lots of "junk" asteroids, the intelligent miner who surveys the field first and then picks the most valuable asteroids to mine will be rewarded for paying attention. The "Hoover fleets" will become less profitable because they will be vacuuming up lots of junk.

Ideally belts would respawn randomly, rather than having the same asteroid reappearing in the same spot. This would prevent people bookmarking points from where to cherry-pick the very best rocks in a belt immediately after each downtime.

We don't need first-person-shooter style mining in EVE, but X Rebirth does have some great ideas on how to make interactive mining more rewarding, and especially rewarding for fleets who have a mixture of surveyors and miners.


That makes so much sense, that it must be written on a paper, the paper be stored in a box, the box be locked in a safe, the keys to the safe be thrown at the sea and then the safe be thrown into a volcano just so nobody CCP is harmed by accidentally "getting it" once in a blue moon. Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#16 - 2013-09-29 07:44:45 UTC
Isnt that game like um.... single player anyway Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#17 - 2013-09-29 08:04:02 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Isnt that game like um.... single player anyway Roll


Yes it is. I t also is innovative despite the franchise being 15 years old, it's daring and ambitious despite it's made by a studio 1/10th the size of CCP, it aims to offer a full experience in a compelling SF universe, and it can easily eat hundreds of hours in comfortable slices between RL chore #1 and RL chore #2 without punishing you for it.

All the above, quite unlike EVEr The Same.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#18 - 2013-09-29 09:19:05 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Isnt that game like um.... single player anyway Roll


What is the relevance of whether X Rebirth is single player or multiplayer?

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Riyal
invidious Squid
#19 - 2013-09-29 09:43:50 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
You must not be a miner. Try playing 2 Hulks and a Orca, That will keep you too busy to be bored Pirate


I would say that using multiple accounts to stave off boredom whilst mining is a good indicator that it isn't very interesting.

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#20 - 2013-09-29 10:15:50 UTC
Riyal wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
You must not be a miner. Try playing 2 Hulks and a Orca, That will keep you too busy to be bored Pirate


I would say that using multiple accounts to stave off boredom whilst mining is a good indicator that it isn't very interesting.


Neither is lighting cynos, flying a falcon in combat or escorting freighters Lol

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