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boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-09-28 17:06:34 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking.


dit bedoel ik dus mensen die alleen posten om te trollen en niets toevoegen
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2013-09-28 17:11:03 UTC
boernl wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking.

dit bedoel ik dus mensen die alleen posten om te trollen en niets toevoegen

…except that he's right.

If it wasn't worth 2.1bn for you, you shouldn't have bought it at that price.
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-09-28 17:19:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
boernl wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking.

dit bedoel ik dus mensen die alleen posten om te trollen en niets toevoegen

…except that he's right.

If it wasn't worth 2.1bn for you, you shouldn't have bought it at that price.


at that moment yh it was worth it

than 2 days later it wasnt
thatswhy i say that ccp should invert a reimbursement time
a window of time

i apologise for the dutch line in between btw
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-09-28 17:24:28 UTC
boernl wrote:
at that moment yh it was worth it

than 2 days later it wasnt
…and presumably, at that point, you already had what you paid a fair price for. You probably even installed it, making all future prices irrelevant since there is no resale.

Just because the markets change doesn't mean that you got an unfair deal. I presume that if you want a reimbursement period, it'll be two-way: if you buy something, and then, a week later, it becomes more expensive, the additional ISK is drawn from your wallet to cover this new, higher price?

Why should they reimburse a deal that was entirely fair and which you felt was worth-while? If it was worth it, it was worth it, and you've lost nothing. If you were trying to speculate, then that risk is part of the business and you lost your gamble so there should definitely not be any reimbursement.
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-09-28 17:27:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
boernl wrote:
at that moment yh it was worth it

than 2 days later it wasnt
…and presumably, at that point, you already had what you paid a fair price for. You probably even installed it, making all future prices irrelevant since there is no resale.

Just because the markets change doesn't mean that you got an unfair deal. I presume that if you want a reimbursement period, it'll be two-way: if you buy something, and then, a week later, it becomes more expensive, the additional ISK is drawn from your wallet to cover this new, higher price?

Why should they reimburse a deal that was entirely fair and which you felt was worth-while? If it was worth it, it was worth it, and you've lost nothing. If you were trying to speculate, then that risk is part of the business and you lost your gamble so there should definitely not be any reimbursement.


thats the whole point that i try to make clear

it was not a market change it was a interfearance of ccp
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2013-09-28 17:33:28 UTC
boernl wrote:
thats the whole point that i try to make clear

it was not a market change it was a interfearance of ccp

…and no less a market change. CCP did not set either the old or the new price. Had the sellers been rational, they would have tried to maintain the higher price and just milked people for everything they were worth.

You still bought it for a fair price. Why should you be reimbursed for a deal you were entirely ok with?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-09-28 17:53:10 UTC
So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet

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boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-09-28 18:32:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet


thats bull what you write here

if it goes from rare to lp item
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2013-09-28 18:37:53 UTC
boernl wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet

thats bull what you write here
if it goes from rare to lp item

No, it's a logical consequence of your suggestion. You are asking to have your purchases adjusted after the fact if something happens to the market that alters their value for a period of time after the trade has been done.

If the price goes down, you get reimbursed the additional ISK you had to pay.
If the price goes you, you reimburse CCP the additional ISK you didn't pay.
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-09-28 18:47:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
boernl wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet

thats bull what you write here
if it goes from rare to lp item

No, it's a logical consequence of your suggestion. You are asking to have your purchases adjusted after the fact if something happens to the market that alters their value for a period of time after the trade has been done.

If the price goes down, you get reimbursed the additional ISK you had to pay.
If the price goes you, you reimburse CCP the additional ISK you didn't pay.


if it was direct market related the post woudlent have made sense

but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-09-28 18:49:53 UTC
have to say what you say makes sense in 1 way
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2013-09-28 18:52:55 UTC
boernl wrote:
but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does
Good thing that they don't, then.
Well, maybe the occasional market speculator, but that's the nature of speculation so it is as it should be.
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-09-28 18:55:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
boernl wrote:
but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does
Good thing that they don't, then.
Well, maybe the occasional market speculator, but that's the nature of speculation so it is as it should be.


they **** the players over all the time

trying to make this game easier for the newer players and "balancing" everything

up till a point that the nwer players dont have to work for something anymore
but the ppl who played for years simply waisted all the effort they putted in getting things done
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2013-09-28 18:57:44 UTC
boernl wrote:
they **** the players over all the time

trying to make this game easier for the newer players and "balancing" everything

up till a point that the nwer players dont have to work for something anymore
but the ppl who played for years simply waisted all the effort they putted in getting things done

…yeah, no. They're not really doing that either, and making the game easier to get into is not the same thing as ******* players over. Quite the opposite.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-09-28 19:01:09 UTC
boernl wrote:

at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they
were going to change way they could be aquired

so i bought that thing 2.1 b

and about 2 days later they pronounce
that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp

happens very often. sorry for your loss but you have no hope for you

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#36 - 2013-09-28 19:10:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
boernl wrote:
they **** the players over all the time

trying to make this game easier for the newer players and "balancing" everything

up till a point that the nwer players dont have to work for something anymore
but the ppl who played for years simply waisted all the effort they putted in getting things done

…yeah, no. They're not really doing that either, and making the game easier to get into is not the same thing as ******* players over. Quite the opposite.


Can't fix stupid.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#37 - 2013-09-28 22:20:02 UTC
This is called "early adoption". I'm sure there is a wiki about the topic somewhere. Lots of people pay premium prices for things when they are the "new hotness". Look at how insane prices are for new technology which later becomes easier to manufacture and thus cheaper to the consumer.

Satellite dishes are sitting in countless backyard doing noting but blocking the sun. Nowadays, we have those cute little 18 inchers atop almost every roof in suburbia. Guess which one costs more?

Also, a person with that link shouldn't be worried about 2.1bil (even though you and I both know it was more like 1.5bil - stop inflating your own early adoption) when you're using it to make that much money each and every day with your mining fleet.

Shrug off the loss and move on.

Thank you.

Sol
Primal Neglect
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-09-29 02:16:10 UTC
Please allow me to hand you this:

http://postimg.org/image/99z2l4px3/
Wyn Pharoh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-09-29 02:29:25 UTC
This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time, that CCP devalues any particular item. It's been very expensive for a long time, and now it isn't. I'll bet the warfare mindlinks that I paid a premium for before the last expansion have lost value with the introduction of navy mindlinks, but I don't expect CCP to reimburse me. I also never got a reimbursement for skills I trained that are no longer requirements for other skills, and judging by the Character Bazaar, skillpoints can be worth a lot of isk.

I think you expected more support from the playerbase with your OP. I suggest that you adjust your expectations.
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
#40 - 2013-09-29 02:59:34 UTC
I really think instead that anyone with one of these installed as of the change date should get an officer minlink replacemt that works 5 times as good as the current one.