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Rubicon Expansion - Personal Depot Question

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-09-27 20:59:58 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Rylos Zathrasi wrote:
Will this structure allow T3 Strategic Cruisers to refit subsystems (inside or out of a wormhole)?

Subsystems is a different story, at the moment no the structure will not allow that. Once we do decide to do T3 subsystem refit though, it will affect all fitting services while in space.

Quick edit: We have decided to do T3 subsystem refits, it's just a matter of deciding when to do it.



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Freako X
Doom Inc
#42 - 2013-09-27 21:32:39 UTC
I hope it has a very small signature so it would require exceptional scanning skills to locate it. If they are to help with hit and run tactics, then people need to NOT be able to locate it by scanning for the module. Scanning for a ship docked to it? Yes. If the little guy wants to have staying power vs. the big bad alliances in Null .... then locating the mini-chop-shop needs to be difficult when it is floating around in space.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-09-27 22:31:38 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Will it be possible to deploy a Depot within a POS forcefield to act in place of a SMA for refitting, while not taking up any POS fitting resources?


These will not be deployable within Starbase forcefields.

Abdiel Kavash wrote:
CCP said they will have a reinforcement timer, and that you can scoop up your stuffs from it while it's reinforced. So as long as you check on it regularly (or pay attention to your mails if it sends mails), you are fine.


This is essentially correct. More details will be revealed later.



Given that there are what look to be connection points on each side of the depot, is this the beginning of a new POS system?

I know you can't get into specifics but you can nod or blink or something. Or just smile. We'll know what you mean.
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#44 - 2013-09-27 22:42:19 UTC
Here's what I like about the personal depot. If I understand the mechanics correctly, nobody knows if you're in it or if you're not.

And if somebody starts knocking on your door with their torps, they'll also have no idea what you'll be flying when you come out.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-09-27 22:59:06 UTC
Amhra Rho wrote:
Here's what I like about the personal depot. If I understand the mechanics correctly, nobody knows if you're in it or if you're not.

And if somebody starts knocking on your door with their torps, they'll also have no idea what you'll be flying when you come out.

You don't dock with the thing just like you don't dock with a carrier to refit, and it goes into a cargo bay, so it is small(ish).

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Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#46 - 2013-09-28 11:14:45 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The fitting service provided by the Depot will be similar to that provided by a SMA or Carrier.
The specific roadblock that has thus far prevented us from enabling Strategic Cruiser subsystem refitting at those services still exists, and thus the Depot will unfortunately not allow refitting of Strategic Cruiser subsystems at the time of Rubicon's launch.

We'll have more details for you in threads and dev blogs in the coming weeks.



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While I am really really enormously disappointed to hear this news, I am appreciative that you guys recognize the need and importance of this matter for T3 drivers and are working to find a real solution.

Carry on.
Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#47 - 2013-09-28 11:36:58 UTC
Is it possible to set up depot like custom office that means it's visible in overview and offers fitting service for anyone for exchange of ISK payment?

Mikhem

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#48 - 2013-09-28 12:55:36 UTC
Freako X wrote:
I hope it has a very small signature so it would require exceptional scanning skills to locate it. If they are to help with hit and run tactics, then people need to NOT be able to locate it by scanning for the module. Scanning for a ship docked to it? Yes. If the little guy wants to have staying power vs. the big bad alliances in Null .... then locating the mini-chop-shop needs to be difficult when it is floating around in space.


It really makes sense, doesn't it? But then this feature has been developed by and for the big guys, in order to feed them with easily squishable targets.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Rainbow Prism Colorblind
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#49 - 2013-09-28 16:38:33 UTC
Freako X wrote:
I hope it has a very small signature so it would require exceptional scanning skills to locate it. If they are to help with hit and run tactics, then people need to NOT be able to locate it by scanning for the module. Scanning for a ship docked to it? Yes. If the little guy wants to have staying power vs. the big bad alliances in Null .... then locating the mini-chop-shop needs to be difficult when it is floating around in space.


I would agree, a small signature would make sense to me. make it relative hard to pin down with scanning.
On the other hand you can still scan down the ship of the owner quicker if he is nearby! ^,~
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-09-28 17:39:50 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Freako X wrote:
I hope it has a very small signature so it would require exceptional scanning skills to locate it. If they are to help with hit and run tactics, then people need to NOT be able to locate it by scanning for the module. Scanning for a ship docked to it? Yes. If the little guy wants to have staying power vs. the big bad alliances in Null .... then locating the mini-chop-shop needs to be difficult when it is floating around in space.


It really makes sense, doesn't it? But then this feature has been developed by and for the big guys, in order to feed them with easily squishable targets.

There are so many easily squashed targets flying around that we can't even hit them all. We're hardly wanting for more of them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#51 - 2013-09-28 19:33:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Freako X wrote:
I hope it has a very small signature so it would require exceptional scanning skills to locate it. If they are to help with hit and run tactics, then people need to NOT be able to locate it by scanning for the module. Scanning for a ship docked to it? Yes. If the little guy wants to have staying power vs. the big bad alliances in Null .... then locating the mini-chop-shop needs to be difficult when it is floating around in space.


It really makes sense, doesn't it? But then this feature has been developed by and for the big guys, in order to feed them with easily squishable targets.

There are so many easily squashed targets flying around that we can't even hit them all. We're hardly wanting for more of them.


Good! Then let's make the depot almost undetectable on its own, shall we?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-09-28 19:37:02 UTC
Do it yourself. It's really easy to make a safespot, and I doubt anybody's going to come looking for your puny depot.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#53 - 2013-09-28 19:46:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Do it yourself. It's really easy to make a safespot, and I doubt anybody's going to come looking for your puny depot.


Well, but just in case they think differntly and happen to be 40 dudes whereas I am soloing, make the depot almost undetectable when i'm away. Make it the soloer's own little secret stash, with emphasis in "secret".

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-09-28 19:47:45 UTC
Tell me again why you should have your own personal storage facility without any risk of losing it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-09-28 20:18:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tell me again why you should have your own personal storage facility without any risk of losing it.

i've noticed you have moved from RAZOR to goonswarm.

Did RAZOR kicked you for your bad posts
or goons finally accepted your level?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#56 - 2013-09-28 20:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Do it yourself. It's really easy to make a safespot, and I doubt anybody's going to come looking for your puny depot.
Well, but just in case they think differntly and happen to be 40 dudes whereas I am soloing, make the depot almost undetectable when i'm away. Make it the soloer's own little secret stash, with emphasis in "secret".
Heh, no. There's pretty much not a whole lot that can be done by players that isn't able to be scanned. What's with the whole "solo players" crying anyway? If anything, this thing will be a massive boon to people in fleets, just have a guy following along in a cloaky T2 transport, and when your scout reports in, bam, the fleet refits and you crush the other guys.

It seems like it would make scouting and intel increase in importance significantly.

Oh, and considering they are talking about in the same words as "SMA" "Carrier" and such, pretty safe bet it will be a huge freaking signature ping.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-09-28 20:31:59 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tell me again why you should have your own personal storage facility without any risk of losing it.

i've noticed you have moved from RAZOR to goonswarm.

Did RAZOR kicked you for your bad posts
or goons finally accepted your level?

My corp moved, not just me.
RAZOR didn't kick us out, we left voluntarily because we weren't happy with them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#58 - 2013-09-28 20:55:57 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tell me again why you should have your own personal storage facility without any risk of losing it.


Without risk not. But also without it becoming a giant "kill me" sign in case that 40 vs 1 and be able to log in 24/7 vs only 1/24 was not enough advantage to the "home team"... Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#59 - 2013-09-28 21:12:31 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tell me again why you should have your own personal storage facility without any risk of losing it.


Without risk not. But also without it becoming a giant "kill me" sign in case that 40 vs 1 and be able to log in 24/7 vs only 1/24 was not enough advantage to the "home team"... Roll


I would go ahead and get used to the whole "kill me" sign idea. It's a pretty binary possibility. Either it's tough to scan or it's not. And since, as I mentioned above, they are speaking of this in the same breath as SMAs, it's likely to be fairly easy to find.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#60 - 2013-09-29 03:38:54 UTC
Right now, it is difficult to actively impact systems deep in a large alliances sovereignty.

I feel the large null alliances have many afk systems deep in their regions. Having a home-base that is exceptionally difficult to find unless the ship is docked at the fitting depot allows small groups of players (can even be from opposing alliances) to shrink large alliance logistic lines. Forcing them to keep more ships close to home to defend their renters, isk-making regions, etc.

I think people from large alliances want them to be easily located out of fear. They LIKE their null-bear zones where they can make isk via rent, ice-mining, anom running, etc in peace.

I say this when I have a null-bear account as well. This would potentially impact my isk-making ... but it would make the game so much more dynamic that it is worth it.