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Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 22
Medude Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 22	#21 - 2013-09-19 23:20:42 UTC 1 Apparently, stationary ships don't react well to 1400's

James Baboli

Warp to Pharmacy

Likes received: 1,038

#22 - 2013-09-20 08:40:02 UTC | Edited by: James Baboli

Medude wrote:

Apparently, stationary ships don't react well to 1400's

For comparison, think of a 1400 as throwing a slightly crunched up Volkswagen beetle at people. Nothing stationary reacts well to a freaking car being propelled into its hull, especially when you then add in the fact that is full of explosives, including a nuclear option.

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Horizon Security 5
Cormallin Horizon Security Likes received: 5	#23 - 2013-09-27 16:21:49 UTC 1 Give it 10% per level to falloff instead of Dmg and raise the 5% RoF to 7.5% RoF and I'm sure it would get more use.

Low Sec Concepts 760
Christine Peeveepeeski Low Sec Concepts Likes received: 760	#24 - 2013-09-27 16:44:27 UTC 3 Rifter - Rupture - Hurricane - Tempest. All outclassed in every way by other ships in the role you build them for. Basically its a ship progression system for people that like the underdog :D As niches go I guess it is one....

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#25 - 2013-09-27 16:59:11 UTC

Caius Sivaris wrote:

Xander Det89 wrote:

So many non-OP changes could have been made... but hey lets stick to lamepest. 7th Turret to actually give it an edge on raw gunnery? Nah... single greater damage bonus with falloff or tracking?... Nah, lets just keep it as an expensive oversized BC.

And what's wrong with an oversized BC? The Tempest is good for when you feel like an AC tornado would do the job but you'd better have more tank, drones and heavy neuts.

Because ont hat role the BC aare better.. specially the attack ones.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"


Kagura Nikon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,148	#26 - 2013-09-27 17:00:10 UTC Medude wrote: Apparently, stationary ships don't react well to 1400's yet.. anything moving at 10ms dont even notice the 1400s "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Rafzakael Enterprises 2
Cpt Smasher Rafzakael Enterprises Likes received: 2	#27 - 2013-09-27 20:24:37 UTC Tempest is an over sized BC, Decent damage with neuts, ok buffer, and i love mine to death. Have not used the phoon post patch tho. I'm starting to think i need to go buy one. `We are recruiting! PvP in NPC 0.0, and Gallente low sec! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281323`

Josilin du Guesclin

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 153

#28 - 2013-09-28 07:22:51 UTC | Edited by: Josilin du Guesclin

Mina Sebiestar wrote:

^ That place is taken by maelstrom and or tornado,and abbadon and apoc(pre changes)...being able to fit guns(only thing that ship can use unlike phoon that can choose) isn't rly something to write home about,especially if you are last choice for using said guns!

If you're mounting guns on a standard 'Phoon as its primary weapons, you're doing it wrong.

As for what it's good for, well if you want a shield tanked arty BS that's a bit faster and more agile than a Maelstrom, a Tempest can do it - it's got a little less tank, very slightly less DPS, but is definitely faster and more agile. Armoured tanked, well the other options are a Typhoon Fleet Issue, which is more expensive and has less DPS (fewer effective turrets and the extra low has to go into extra Power Grid - use Cruise Missiles and be done with it), or the Tempest Fleet Issue, which gives you speed and tank but costs more and is less agile, and brings a tiny DPS improvement.

If you want an Autocannon BS, it's a better choice than the Maelstrom, because it's more agile, and it's cheaper than either TFI.

So, if you're doing guns in a T1 battleship, the Tempest is the first ship to look at.

The Djego

Hellequin Inc.

Likes received: 266

#29 - 2013-09-28 12:08:08 UTC

Muad 'dib wrote:

Tempest is as tempest does.

Its not that CCP cant think of anything cool to do with it, they just cant be bothered.

Why fix a ship no one cares about anyway? :P

new tempest is like the old tempest, jack of no trades and master of none of them either LOL

The old tempest actually was a lot better, simply by the higher range before the TE nerf and the much higher relative speed compared to other BS(that are also pretty fast now to). It even got nerfed again with the nos changes in 1.1.

But yeah, it was explained in great detail in the minmatar balance thread with lots of good suggests, yet more or less ignored.

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Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Alliance 293
John Ratcliffe Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Alliance Likes received: 293	#30 - 2013-09-28 18:43:25 UTC Is this thread about a T1 Tempest, or a TFI? I've made a TFI fit which is very nice and compares very favourably to a Mach for less money. The TFI doesn't seem that bad to me. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#31 - 2013-09-30 12:36:09 UTC | Edited by: Kagura Nikon

Cpt Smasher wrote:

Tempest is an over sized BC, Decent damage with neuts, ok buffer, and i love mine to death.

Have not used the phoon post patch tho. I'm starting to think i need to go buy one. Pirate

Phoon is a better oversized BC!! Faster, smaller more DPS.

There is abolutely NOTHING that should make you choose a tempest for any role other than looking cool.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"


Josilin du Guesclin Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 153	#32 - 2013-09-30 13:05:56 UTC Kagura Nikon wrote: [ There is abolutely NOTHING that should make you choose a tempest for any role other than looking cool. You like autocannons, and having more reach than a torp 'phoon does?

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#33 - 2013-09-30 19:21:36 UTC

Josilin du Guesclin wrote:

Kagura Nikon wrote:

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There is abolutely NOTHING that should make you choose a tempest for any role other than looking cool.

You like autocannons, and having more reach than a torp 'phoon does?

You like falls within the lookign cool bracket.... and you do not have more range.. you have more falloff so even that you cannot claim :P

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Onictus

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 952

#34 - 2013-09-30 20:19:39 UTC

John Ratcliffe wrote:

Is this thread about a T1 Tempest, or a TFI? I've made a TFI fit which is very nice and compares very favourably to a Mach for less money. The TFI doesn't seem that bad to me.

TFI doesn't compare that favorably to a mach trust me I have both, the mach is a far far better ship, the only thing the TFI has on a mach is lock range.

....and that I can get over while zipping around at machariel speeds.

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#35 - 2013-10-01 10:26:03 UTC

The tempest is dooomed foverer as being the most beutiful yet least powerful battleship. Just due to stubornes. We conceptualized a LOT of different changes that woudl bring it to a power level close of the other battleships, but we are ignored, because CCP is adamant in the DUMB idea of a battleship that is equaly bad in ALL THINGS in battlefield.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

ArcticPrism

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 12

#36 - 2013-10-07 04:26:37 UTC

Kagura Nikon wrote:

Yeah. A lot of the battleships got huge hull improvements. The Hyperion got 125 bandwidth AND 175 m3 drone bay AND a 10% damage bonus AND got an extra low slot. Cruise missles got buffed a ton so Typhoon and Raven were obviously boosted. Typhoon was turned into a dedicated missile boat and got a damage application bonus. Armageddon is a drone boat with neut/nos range bonus. Megathron got an extra low and 5% rof. Tempest was never really that great and got no real improvements. Why?

Mina Sebiestar

Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate

Likes received: 1,231

#37 - 2013-10-08 21:09:10 UTC | Edited by: Mina Sebiestar

ArcticPrism wrote:

Kagura Nikon wrote:

why?

Because ...reasons...no one rly knows CCP included, but hey look there a butterfly...

Not just that other ships got hefty buffs(especially gallente) Tempest was directly nerfed with TE changes too.

What ever it was before it got worse after.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard


ArcticPrism The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 12	#38 - 2013-10-11 01:14:29 UTC Started a thread in Features and Ideas to try to attract more attention: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3721484

Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 772
Alexa Coates Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 772	#39 - 2013-10-11 06:15:58 UTC The tempest is outclassed by both the other minnie bs's. It just doesn't do anything that a phoon can't do cheaper, and a maelstrom can't do faster. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.

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