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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#541 - 2013-09-28 07:58:24 UTC
Sar'ran Zorn wrote:
Andski wrote:
Quote:
Andski said, "EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not."

Ah, shoot. Back to okay for Devs to back player events again.


The only outcome of CCP promoting EVE Vegas is a higher likelihood of EVE Vegas being a much more exciting event and happening in the future. The organizer isn't gaining anything in-game.


Except all the **** Somer is giving them.

You are really clueless dude. Just stop.


somer blink are super generous for giving some plex and blink credits (lol) to people participating in a PvP tournament, of course

we should clearly deposit all of our isk and play blink to the end of time and empty our checking accounts into his markee dragon affiliate link in recognition of his generosity, and CCP should give Somerset Mahm GM powers

that is the only fair way to praise him for being so generous, giving away so many petty prizes to people without the clear goal of promoting his lottery site

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#542 - 2013-09-28 07:59:23 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Sure thing, kiddo.

You carry on with the righteous crusade.

I'll look forward to seeing your article about it on Reddit.

oh wait....


I don't do anything with TMC anymore. Keep trying!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
#543 - 2013-09-28 08:03:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
somer blink are super generous for giving some plex and blink credits (lol) to people participating in a PvP tournament, of course

we should clearly deposit all of our isk and play blink to the end of time and empty our checking accounts into his markee dragon affiliate link in recognition of his generosity, and CCP should give Somerset Mahm GM powers

that is the only fair way to praise him for being so generous, giving away so many petty prizes to people without the clear goal of promoting his lottery site


You really need to work on being less obvious with the Straw Man stuff.

You said they don't get anything in game for doing Eve Vegas. They're getting a shitload of in game stuff from Somer.

That you think people shouldn't use Somer is separate from you being incredibly wrong.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#544 - 2013-09-28 08:12:45 UTC
Sar'ran Zorn wrote:
You really need to work on being less obvious with the Straw Man stuff.

You said they don't get anything in game for doing Eve Vegas. They're getting a shitload of in game stuff from Somer.

That you think people shouldn't use Somer is separate from you being incredibly wrong.


Where was it announced that Somer was giving anything to the organizers of EVE Vegas? Somer is sponsoring some prizes for participants and winners of the PvP tournament that will take place there, but to my knowledge, they're not giving anything to the organizers. And even if Somer decided to give the organizers some crap as a thank you for running EVE Vegas, there is absolutely no requirement, at all, to pay ISK to attend EVE Vegas.

I have absolutely nothing against Somer, but I recognize them for what they are: a lottery site that operates to generate a profit. They are not a charity.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#545 - 2013-09-28 08:25:10 UTC
I think the fact that there are NO Gold Magnates on TQ is dumb.

Just dumb.

What a waste of a ship / model.

If nobody has one I don't see how giving them to players is a problem.

btw - I already have a Guardian-Vexor. You can check my hanger in Malia. I could give a rat's ### who else has one. It's ridiculous to maintain ships nobody can use. At the very least CCP should think about just slapping a new skin on some of the Alliance Tournament ships and release them to the wider player base.

All these people complaining about old unique ships... it just doesn't make sense to me. Most of you don't have one... so why would you reduce your chances of ever getting one?

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
#546 - 2013-09-28 08:29:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
And even if Somer decided to give the organizers some crap as a thank you for running EVE Vegas, there is absolutely no requirement, at all, to pay ISK to attend EVE Vegas.

I have absolutely nothing against Somer, but I recognize them for what they are: a lottery site that operates to generate a profit. They are not a charity.


More Straw Man, all speaking to the pretend argument you're having rather than what you're being told.

Your statement: They get nothing in game for running Eve Vegas.

Wrong.
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#547 - 2013-09-28 08:32:58 UTC
Sar'ran Zorn wrote:
Andski wrote:
And even if Somer decided to give the organizers some crap as a thank you for running EVE Vegas, there is absolutely no requirement, at all, to pay ISK to attend EVE Vegas.

I have absolutely nothing against Somer, but I recognize them for what they are: a lottery site that operates to generate a profit. They are not a charity.


More Straw Man, all speaking to the pretend argument you're having rather than what you're being told.

Your statement: They get nothing in game for running Eve Vegas.

Wrong.


You're forgetting - he likes Eve Vegas, so being okay with them getting CCP endorsement and in-game benefits from that endorsement isn't hilariously stupid in his world view.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#548 - 2013-09-28 08:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
are you getting blink credits for making really dumb arguments like "there's a chance that people will give ISK to the organizers of eve vegas as thanks therefore it is a venture to enhance one's position in-game just like somer blink"

for example, can you point out what the organizers of eve vegas are getting in-game, or where anybody discussed giving them in-game items

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#549 - 2013-09-28 08:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
or are you just trolling at this point

frankly i'd be pretty embarrassed if i was trying to discredit somebody because of one part of their post based on something that i have presented zero evidence for, like the organizers of eve vegas being given in-game benefits for running that event

i guess some people have no shame

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#550 - 2013-09-28 08:54:08 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
Dex Slim wrote:

Just giving one trillion in ISK to SOMER is not fair game. See the difference?


No. No I don't.

Somer blink has built up an organization and service that is successful to the point that they can do things like sponsor tournaments and add value/content to EVE. CCP should be able to recognize this and make whatever business arrangements they want with them.

How they compensate them for that doesn't really matter to me.

They could give them real money. (Which could be used to buy plex and then sold for isk.)
They could give them plex. (Which could be sold for isk.)
They could give them isk. (Which is already isk.)
They could give them ships. (Which could be sold for isk ... or auctioned off for isk.)

Either way CCP gets more content in their game and somer gets isk.



What content? Somer blink provides no content at all. Has somer blink ever played a hand in a monumental battle that made the press? No. Has he performed a scam (apart from this one) that got eve into the news? No. Is he giving out free ships and training to newbies? No. Did he give an inconsequential amount of isk to a tournament no one gives a **** about? Yes. Did he start EVE Vegas? No. The first one was started by a goon.

So aside from CCP giving a player hundreds of billions if ISK, somer blink has actually done **** all for EVE.
Coiled Meza
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#551 - 2013-09-28 09:03:05 UTC
What a total ******* joke. Even Blink has now scammed CCP Game is total ******* waste now.
Ethan Snow
Always Brave
#552 - 2013-09-28 09:03:39 UTC
Andski wrote:
i guess some people have no shame


Too easy, shiptoaster. Too easy.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#553 - 2013-09-28 09:06:02 UTC
Ethan Snow wrote:
Andski wrote:
i guess some people have no shame


Too easy, shiptoaster. Too easy.


yes it is too easy, because they're literally down to arguing that I should also be upset over CCP sponsoring eve vegas because there's a possibility that they'll receive in-game benefits, and that being that people might send the organizer ISK as thanks for organizing the event

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

ShipsOfEve
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#554 - 2013-09-28 09:29:14 UTC
I endorse this product and/or service.

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#555 - 2013-09-28 10:14:52 UTC
I am utterly shocked by the amount of people flooding in to defend this.

Are they just all somer alts, or do they not actually understand how games and competition works?

It is catastrophic for the owner/developer of a game to provide one certain player or team a gigantic advantage over every other just because hey we like that player/team.

To anyone trying to justify this, or saying it isn't an issue: You're playing EVE, so it's a certainty that there is another player or corporation who is competing with you. Perhaps someone has war decced you in the past? Or perhaps they've competed with your ship building/selling business? Somewhere along the lines you have competed against another player or group, right? Well now imagine CCP handed that group priceless assets, that they then used as part of their competition against you.

Or, for a different example, imagine your favourite sports team. They're playing against their rivals, and the ref steps in and says "hey just because I can, I'm giving Rival Team 10 extra points".


Now do you see the problem?

This is in no way at all acceptable or justifiable, it simply isn't.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#556 - 2013-09-28 11:24:32 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I am utterly shocked by the amount of people flooding in to defend this.

Are they just all somer alts, or do they not actually understand how games and competition works?


They don't because they most likely play Eve in single player mode and think there is no competition this way.
Luca Lure
Obertura
#557 - 2013-09-28 11:34:03 UTC
This is the awnsering machine of CCP. At this moment we are not arround. Please post a message to this forum and we will just ignore it. Thank you.

I've seen this happen before.

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Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#558 - 2013-09-28 11:35:04 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I am utterly shocked by the amount of people flooding in to defend this.

Are they just all somer alts, or do they not actually understand how games and competition works?

At first I thought it was just another of those "everyone and everything has it's fanboys" thing, but then I realized that all the ones defending this came in to the thread at roughly the same time.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#559 - 2013-09-28 11:53:38 UTC
Luca Lure wrote:
This is the awnsering machine of CCP. At this moment we are not arround. Please post a message to this forum and we will just ignore it. Thank you.

I've seen this happen before.

"Oh whoops. Didn't have time to answer posts because of devroam."
"Oh look at that it's the weekend, time for some time off."
"Oh would you look at that the raffle is happening in a few hours. Too late to change anything now. Sorry bros."
This is how I imagine this will go.
Josef Djugashvilis
#560 - 2013-09-28 12:06:03 UTC
Apparently Somer Blink have dedicated this song to their CCP partners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wG6Cgmgn5U

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