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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#501 - 2013-09-28 01:13:43 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:

+ 1 to this. Its a big fat load of fuss over nothing

So no one will should mind if next month CCP puts mittens in charge of handing out five Megathron Federate issue battleships?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#502 - 2013-09-28 01:24:12 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:

+ 1 to this. Its a big fat load of fuss over nothing

So no one will should mind if next month CCP puts mittens in charge of handing out five Megathron Federate issue battleships?


Welcome to ye colde and harshe Worlde of Eve Onlyne.

Tissues righte bye ye Been Gaye dispenserre.
RUS Comannder
Writing Memoirs
#503 - 2013-09-28 01:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: RUS Comannder
Nanatoa wrote:
Abernie wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
WTF I just spent 16 billion on Blinks to get a once-in-a-lifetime shot at a Gold Magnate, literally The Stuff Of Legends - and you change the prices? Can I get my 16 billion back?

That's up to somer blink, this is a 3rd party event after all.


Good point. I have requested a refund with Somer Blink



Be sure to post Somer's reply when you get the isk back. It is what they have done in the past when someone decides, before the drawing of course, that the person in question has buyer's remorse and doesn't want the opportunity to win, but would rather have the isk back in their blink wallet.
RUS Comannder
Writing Memoirs
#504 - 2013-09-28 02:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: RUS Comannder
CCP has every record of every transaction in Eve. If ever an audit could be done with all the documents, it is here. The enormity of fake players needed to run this as a scam is so huge, there is no way CCP could not follow it.

The prizes will be in the possession of CCP and awarded from them to the winners. My guess is those winners will be scrutinized quite heavily.

The CSM? What percentage of the player base even bothered placing a vote and what percentage of the player base voted for those who won? The CSM does not represent jackshot.

All I see are third party player organizations shedding aligator tears knowing that if they starting cleaning up their act to meet the high standards held by Blink, it would be years before they might be considered by CCP as worthy of being able to receive some sponsorship from CCP.

I have not seen a mention of how much if any Somer will have to pay CCP for the prizes. With CCP capriciously changing their minds, Somer could get stuck with nothing from CCP but a 2% discount on 1000 rifters, the tearful will have killed it for every honest third party entity to get some form of sponsorship from CCP.

There is a lot of misunderstanding about blink being posting. Blink runs a lottery and ads a surcharge on to each ticket. It is kind of like your grocer selling cans of beans and making a profit on each one. If your grocer knew the market the would bear the percentage of profit Blink makes, the grocer would raise prices. Somer never wins a blink, a player does. Somer makes a profit on every blink, no doubt. Everyone who sells trit wants to sell it at a profit, but must compete with others having it for sale. Somer is running the only lottery like Blink in all of Eve. There are other gambling sites, but none have reached a point where their players have won over a Quadrillion ISK. Granted, many turned around and blinked it away, but it was in their possession and with in their volition to gamble it away or to have cashed out their prizes and walked away. Every player is there on a voluntary basis and gambles what they choose to gamble. The have a much better chance of ending up ahead than any one who ever paid a Goon and sum of Isk to join the Goons and then had his ships moved to null for free by the Goon. Somer offers a better chance than does a ganker, Space Ship Barbie, a "Legitimate ISK Doubling Service" or a Margin Trading Scam. Somer is run by people, not by avatars who post the same scam message every 32 seconds 23.5/7.

Let the tears flow, it is only a small tsunami. Don't just count the number of posts, look at where so many are coming from and the resources they have been handed by CCP in the past.

Now without naming any benefitting entity from past CCP decisions, we will see who flames me and that will tell us who wants to re-direct the attention away from their CCP gift to whatever benfit Somer my realize.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#505 - 2013-09-28 02:49:53 UTC
RUS Comannder wrote:

Let the tears flow, it is only a small tsunami. Don't just count the number of posts, look at where so many are coming from and the resources they have been handed by CCP in the past.

They are coming from all walks of EvE. Note how the last dev post in this thread has all of 1 like in support of these actions.

RUS Comannder wrote:
Now without naming any benefitting entity from past CCP decisions, we will see who flames me and that will tell us who wants to re-direct the attention away from their CCP gift to whatever benfit Somer my realize.

No flame. And where we want to direct the attention is the act of giving away spawned items and vouching for the integrity of a in-game player corporation. To the extent of "we grant this player corporation the right to ban other players from community events at their discretion" and promoting (some) players to breach the Terms of Service in an attempt to claim these prizes.

I cut out your irrelevant rambling about prize distribution and what Blink is or is not, because that's completely irrelevant to the issue. It's you who is trying to redirect attention from the real issue. Try again.
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#506 - 2013-09-28 03:00:35 UTC
When it was pre-existing hulls, there was a lot of valid complaint.

Now: I see a bunch of goons saying "Give it to us instead" and a bunch of other lottos saying "Give it to us instead"

When both are being ignored, I see them both crying foul.

This all reads like new player jealously.

BIG has been given limited edition ships 2? 3? times now. SCL were given Ishiscorps before. Blink was given Isiscorps before.

No part of this is new behavior.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#507 - 2013-09-28 03:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vald Tegor
Abditus Cularius wrote:

No part of this is new behavior.

The part where CCP is openly stating "Blink is trustworthy. We trust them. You should too. Go give them some of your space money".

It doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity.
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#508 - 2013-09-28 03:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Just assume certain CCP devs are scammers just like random players - given whats happened the last few days it would not surprise me.

The fact i am going on a fishing trip with a few people employed in Iceland and the owner of that 3rd party gambling site next week means nothing btw.

Concord Approved Trader
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#509 - 2013-09-28 03:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Abditus Cularius
Vald Tegor wrote:
Abditus Cularius wrote:

No part of this is new behavior.

The part where CCP is openly stating "Blink is trustworthy. We trust them. You should too. Go give them some of your space money".

It doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity.


Since you're apparently new to eve, here's a link where they told people to play BIG, and talked about when they gave BIG an Impoc, and then gave him more special edition ships to sell.

Edit to clarify: I'm not saying it was wrong to acknowledge BIG's accomplishments, either.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#510 - 2013-09-28 03:48:31 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Vald Tegor wrote:
Abditus Cularius wrote:

No part of this is new behavior.

The part where CCP is openly stating "Blink is trustworthy. We trust them. You should too. Go give them some of your space money".

It doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity.


Since you're apparently new to eve, here's a link where they told people to play BIG, and talked about when they gave BIG an Impoc, and then gave him more special edition ships to sell.

Edit to clarify: I'm not saying it was wrong to acknowledge BIG's accomplishments, either.

I missed that and never ran into BIG in game myself.

The big difference is "The BIG Lottery is non-profit, as every single ISK made on ticket sales is paid back out as prizes." Whereas Blink is a straight up business in direct competition with other such for-profit sites.

While handing out stuff in something that can be considered a fair manner is cool, I don't necessarily agree with using player organizations to distribute it. In all such cases this is EvE and sometimes people just take stuff in front of them because they can. (see recent red frog story).
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#511 - 2013-09-28 04:00:36 UTC
So now your complaint has shifted from "The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity." to "unless it's someone who says they're not making ISK"

Noted.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#512 - 2013-09-28 04:19:44 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
So now your complaint has shifted from "The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity." to "unless it's someone who says they're not making ISK"

Noted.


They should just not give anything to anybody no matter how it's dealt with after. Much less BS would come out if they were to make these lotteries themselves instead of "trusting" whoever the hell is in the selected 3rd party.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#513 - 2013-09-28 04:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
the more i thought about this, the more angry it makes me. so, a player like me can spend hours trying to build and promote a community. a player like me can spend hours 'working' for his isk to further his business goals.... only for the dev to magically spawn items for another entity that basically give them free promotion and a huge isk injection? here i am trying to raise isk to be able to afford a titan,supercarrier, AT ship, t2 bpo, whatever it may be... and you're just going to give enough isk to buy a fleet of titans to an entity that is already one of the wealthiest in game? you're going to promote them as being 'legit' to the detriment of my own business? i'm running multiple accounts here, or at least i was... i am strongly considering just cutting my losses at this point and letting them lapse into oblivion. what's the point of my spending time and 'working' when the devs are just giving stuff out of thin air to preferred groups? do you have any idea how long it would take me to make 1trillion isk? even 100bil isk requires that i have a sharp eye and be active for a month or two, watching contracts and the market like a hawk... i feel like a sucker now. i have 6 active accounts, that's a decent amount of income for CCP per month, yet i'm being treated like a second class citizen here. my money isn't good enough as another guys? fine, maybe i should just withdraw my support then.
Kosakei Sanko
Interstellar Vacancy
Loose Affiliations
#514 - 2013-09-28 04:26:25 UTC
Still does not address the fact that there are obvious errors, intentional or not, in the information presented on the SOMER Blink website. Since there are so many players who seem to have won their first Blink before they were even created, can they really be trusted to be as random and impartial as such an enormous event requires? And this is assuming that the people over at SOMER Blink are really just bad at maintaining their players' info. The number is sufficiently high enough to consider that this may not be the case. I'm not exactly a police inspector, either. This information is not hard to locate, and I guess CCP is just ignoring it.

Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened.
Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#515 - 2013-09-28 04:31:15 UTC
Kosakei Sanko wrote:
Still does not address the fact that there are obvious errors, intentional or not, in the information presented on the SOMER Blink website. Since there are so many players who seem to have won their first Blink before they were even created, can they really be trusted to be as random and impartial as such an enormous event requires? And this is assuming that the people over at SOMER Blink are really just bad at maintaining their players' info. The number is sufficiently high enough to consider that this may not be the case. I'm not exactly a police inspector, either. This information is not hard to locate, and I guess CCP is just ignoring it.


This scenario is actually a lot more common than even this post implies :) But it's neither a record keeping flaw or a secret.

We only allow one account per person. When someone sells their char, or even just wants to change which char they play from, we transfer the Blink account to a new char of their choice for them.

Hope that clarifies :)

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding
#516 - 2013-09-28 04:42:21 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Vald Tegor wrote:
Abditus Cularius wrote:

No part of this is new behavior.

The part where CCP is openly stating "Blink is trustworthy. We trust them. You should too. Go give them some of your space money".

It doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity.


Since you're apparently new to eve, here's a link where they told people to play BIG, and talked about when they gave BIG an Impoc, and then gave him more special edition ships to sell.

Edit to clarify: I'm not saying it was wrong to acknowledge BIG's accomplishments, either.


Wow, didn't know about this..... I don't lottery because its a sucker's bet, so ignore all almost all lottery stuff.

I had no idea that CCP has been giving out free unique ships and other stuff to these other lotteries for some time now.

I had no idea that the greatest isk/hour role in eve is creating a lottery, then harvesting bling ships from CCP devs directly.

CCP you suck. Seriously.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#517 - 2013-09-28 05:37:37 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
When it was pre-existing hulls, there was a lot of valid complaint.

Now: I see a bunch of goons saying "Give it to us instead" and a bunch of other lottos saying "Give it to us instead"

When both are being ignored, I see them both crying foul.

This all reads like new player jealously.

BIG has been given limited edition ships 2? 3? times now. SCL were given Ishiscorps before. Blink was given Isiscorps before.

No part of this is new behavior.


You realize we're asking CCP give us all that stuff in jest, right? I guess you have absolutely no grasp of sarcasm.

This isn't jealousy, it's denouncing CCP's blatant favoritism.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#518 - 2013-09-28 05:47:04 UTC
Again, I get why someone whose august resume includes GoonWaffe and EN24 mk2 wouldn't know this - and how your elite reporting skills could miss the link three posts down from the one you quoted - but the favoritism you're complaining about isn't new.

At all.

This has been the way of Eve for the last 10 years, at the very least.

This isn't even the biggest case of giving stuff out to player organizations publically.

It's not even the 3rd time this has happened since 09 nubbins like you started playing.

Player organizations that do things CCP like for the community get CCP endorsement.

I understand that you didn't know this, and now that someone has spoon fed you the knowledge you feel like the game has changed.

But it hasn't.

You've just seen a part of it you were oblivious to in your little corner, previously.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#519 - 2013-09-28 06:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Again, I get why someone whose august resume includes GoonWaffe and EN24 mk2 wouldn't know this - and how your elite reporting skills could miss the link three posts down from the one you quoted - but the favoritism you're complaining about isn't new.

At all.

This has been the way of Eve for the last 10 years, at the very least.

This isn't even the biggest case of giving stuff out to player organizations publically.

It's not even the 3rd time this has happened since 09 nubbins like you started playing.

Player organizations that do things CCP like for the community get CCP endorsement.

I understand that you didn't know this, and now that someone has spoon fed you the knowledge you feel like the game has changed.

But it hasn't.

You've just seen a part of it you were oblivious to in your little corner, previously.


Checking my creation date isn't actually adding any credibility to your argument.

Beyond that, feel free to point out those more significant cases of CCP publicly giving stuff to player organizations. The t20 incident does not count, because that was done in secret. Alliance tournament prizes do not count. Also, the SCL prizes were pooled by players involved with organizing the event.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#520 - 2013-09-28 06:15:31 UTC
Here you go https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Apocalypse_Imperial_Issue

And I won't even require a cut of your banner add revenue for having done your research for you.