Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Gods forbid we actually wait to see real stats and numbers on the thing before we start bitching about it and preaching doom and gloom.

If the new modules are lootable by all...
Just saying.

Wrecks are can be looted by anyone anyway so I don't see how is that relevant or changed?

Because they still have to salvage the wrecks with something. They still have to haul the loot out with something. In most cases where this thing becomes time and cost effective, that's not your mission ship.

We don't know how many wrecks this thing pulls at once; we don't know its tractor range; we don't know how much loot it can hold; we don't know what skills it requires.

We know literally nothing pertinent about it to even call it a bad idea yet.

Perhaps it may have also evaded you to consider that this thing may be a boon for solo salvagers. There are always going to be people who do not care to loot and salvage their wrecks under any circumstances, since they want to get to the next mission. They don't want to wait on this new doohickey, and they don't want to have to make extra trips hauling loot and salvage. In these cases, the solo salvager does like always, only now he pops one of these into cargo and fits a full rack of salvagers, instead of any tractors of his own. He does more sites faster, and becomes competitive in a flooded noobie market.

Of course, this is also assuming these things can fit into and can be scooped up by anything smaller than an indy hauler.

Packaged size is yet another number we don't have.

This new add seems very cool though for the solo mission runner for sure.... plus it's a new toy!

frankly i havent read everything but looting and salvaging isnt much work atm either way with a noctis 8 tractors and 5 salvage drones get it done pretty good afk

Sorry to say, but I don't agree with just about anything said by the OP.

1) Devaluation:

A structure that tractors wrecks is not going to reduce the value of salvage and loot. Yes, it may potentially increase the speed at which salvage is gathered, but certainly not to the point of creating a massive influx of salvage and loot on the market which is what would be required for a price drop. The availability of salvage/loot on the market is a directly linked to the supply, and supply is determined by how much can be gathered in a period of time; It has nothing to do with APM. I highly doubt this is going to allow players to blaze through salvaging and looting missions to the point that we see any kind of significant price drop. Much less if this does make salvaging/looting an AFK activity, because people who AFK while doing things don't exactly set speed records. Finally, even if salvage and loot was able to be quickly gathered by players it's still not going to reduce time by a huge extent because a large portion of that time is determined by generation of wrecks; That is to say, if it cuts your salvage/loot time by half from 20mins to 10, it doesn't really matter because your still spending an hour going through that L4 to create all those wrecks.

2) Undermining of mining profitability.

I'm going to come out and say it right now, there is absolutely no way that half of ones income from running missions comes from reprocessing loot. Now admittedly, I have far from good reprocessing capabilities. Probably about the worst. But the reality doesn't change, the value of your L4 probably runs something like Bounty>Phat loots>salvage (salvage can overtake loot if your lucky)>crap loot reprocessed into minerals (this is of course excluding officer drops and any other shenanigans as a highsec L4 is what I'm using as my template, seeing that highsec is where most missions are run and would have the most direct tie-in to the market).

But let's ignore that, it's not relevant to the point. What is relevant is essentially the same thing said in point 1, that this module is not going to create such an influx of minerals or loot to upset the market. See, even if there are people with reprocessing capabilities so far superior to my own limited scope that half of their income is coming from reprocessing modules, as stated previously the time required to acquire an equivalent amount of loot for either sale or reprocessing is not going to be so radically altered that we see a flood of resources. And no, I see no conceivable way that mining is somehow going to generate a smaller quantity of minerals per hour then reprocessing loot can. Lower value perhaps, but certainly not lower quantity. And that can be changed my mining something better then veldspar.

3) Undermining Noob Income.

Noob salvage is best salvage, I've been there I get it. But I think you are overestimating laziness as a motivator. Your basically saying that making salvaging and looting easier for people running missions is going completely hinder new players convincing people to let them salvage their missions for them because they'd just do it themselves. While this does have merit in some situations where the mission runner is legitimately too lazy to salvage or loot a mission, I personally am of the opinion that if someone is letting you make money off of their effort in a mission that it is not because they are too lazy but rather that they either can A) make more money by not cleaning up or B) are a legitimately nice person letting you make some Iskies.

The Tractors on your Noctis aren't...

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how can he say 70-80% of wrecks go unlooted? if thats the case, why would anything change now? if folks are too lazy to bring out their noctic for 3 mins, why would this change anything?

on the other hand, if you are a noob and you rely on this for income, you could in theory find multi sites where guys give you the go ahead to loot/salvage and you can warp in, drop this item, and have 8 salvagers on your own noctis.
now, the time needed to clear a field is less than 1/2 what it was prior.

and who says you have to deploy it when you start fighting ships to begin with. keep one in the noctis. finish the mission/sanctum, bring the noctis and drop one of these. itll pull everything in and you just salvage. once done, collect loot, pull tractor and roll.
i made good money with my alt salvaging sanctums for rigs after smokin em with my main.

think logically, do not put a tractor at the entrance to the site. put it 100km up (or whatever range is dictated by the unit). when someone warps in, you have 100km of travel time to see them and scoop loot.

open your noodles. see. dream. quit being a hater. =)