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DEVSWARM OP: CCP Should Give Goonswarm Trillions Of Isk Worth of Crap

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Checkbaux
Prayers And Multifrequency
#301 - 2013-09-27 17:07:21 UTC
Checkbaux wrote:
Just Posting this for "told you so" for screenshot sake

Prediction: around one or two years from now expect a "SOMER BLINK: How to Scam CCP" thread detailing how it was set up as a gambling scam that ended up working well, then WILDEST DREAMS when they got CCP endorsed while one dude fills his alts up with trillions of ISK.

i'm calling it now... CCP doing ANYTHING for ANY entity in game is a bad idea, they should stay the **** out of the sandbox and stop giving some kids bigger buckets.

imagine if Eve Investment Bank, how totally successful and legit it was for ages, imagine if EIB had been endorsed and advertised and helped out by CCP?

Well you don't need to imagine it. because thats effectively what could potentially happen here... some dude gives up and pockets trillions of ISK and o7m8's all of eve


double post day?
Prince Kobol
#302 - 2013-09-27 17:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Lex Manrider wrote:

You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.

If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.


I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all!
If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.

As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT?
Player driven event should also mean player created prices!

What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guy, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.

p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.[/quote]

No need to be all shouty about it... dude take a chill pill
Prince Kobol
#303 - 2013-09-27 17:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Ranger 1 wrote:


You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.

If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.



Of course you can, but the issue with Eve is that is it far far too easy. If fact you do not even need to use any kind of payment details to open an account.

Fake email address + fake proxy + Plex = Full Eve Account

It really is that simple
HardRockLife
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
#304 - 2013-09-27 17:40:06 UTC
Wait what is this all about?
I was out getting a Security+ certificate and I come back to see references to Roman history and complaints about lotteries being used to fund a trip to the city of no taboo
Rekon X
Doomheim
#305 - 2013-09-27 18:18:29 UTC
-10 for fail whinery

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#306 - 2013-09-27 18:24:45 UTC
Why isn't this locked with a link to the expansion announcement topic yet

Seriously, you're gonna get Weaselior dunk you like that

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#307 - 2013-09-27 18:46:41 UTC
Sirane Elrek wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything.
You guys have enough space and enough isk already.

CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries

his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well

I think at this point, we should.

CCP has already coined Blink as a trustworthy service and the resulting profit is already in Blink's wallet, both in and out of game. It's too late to take any of that back, no matter what CCP's next move is going to be.

The precedent is set.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#308 - 2013-09-27 18:50:34 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
Sirane Elrek wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything.
You guys have enough space and enough isk already.

CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries

his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well

I think at this point, we should.

CCP has already coined Blink as a trustworthy service and the resulting profit is already in Blink's wallet, both in and out of game. It's too late to take any of that back, no matter what CCP's next move is going to be.

The precedent is set.

Next, just do the reverse and remove stuff from an untrustworthy group.

Like us

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#309 - 2013-09-27 18:51:31 UTC
TEST Alliance Please Ignore, step up to receive your prize: enough funding for not one, but TWO more gigantic losses to the CFC

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#310 - 2013-09-27 19:04:38 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Red Templar wrote:


Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?

Much obliged.


Of course good sir,

CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread

"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?

A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged."

Hope that helps :)

I seem to recall a test alt that worked with Somer who cleaned out some hangars on his way out. But surely that will never happen again.
Berstich
InterBus Central Division
#311 - 2013-09-27 19:31:31 UTC
CCP has stated that THEY can trust SOMER. No one else has to or should, but in a business transaction with the guys who run the game SOMER is trustworthy. As for the 'profits' they are being fed back into the Vegas tourny that probbaly wouldnt happen without them.

The only profit gain here is from the winners of the blinks and the winners of the Vegas Tourny.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#312 - 2013-09-27 19:56:27 UTC
More like the profit (in $ not isk, for both Somer and CCP) from selling GTC's to people stocking up and burning through the free credit it generates on the site, for maximum raffle tickets.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2013-09-27 20:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Marzetti
FFS, this has nothing to do with whether Somer Blink can be trusted. This is about CCP's ongoing inability to act ethically as a real world business. This gives the appearance of impropriety and taints CCP's relationships with its customers. Do any of you even work in professional positions? This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#314 - 2013-09-27 20:23:18 UTC
This -might- have been acceptable if SOMER Blink was a charitable organisation as CCP seems to believe judging by their comments on the matter

However in reality SOMER Blink is not a charitable organisation and CCP is handing them hundreds of billions of ISK by giving them prizes to make ISK with
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2013-09-27 20:27:25 UTC
Suggestion: If a character makes X amount of ISK per month, CCP gives them more ISK for their honesty
Arrendis
TK Corp
#316 - 2013-09-27 20:55:32 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.


And legal departments to tell them why they need training budgets to prevent the kind of appearance of impropriety that this creates. From a business standpoint, it's not even about 'did you do anything illegal or unethical?' it's about 'did you give any appearance of doing anything illegal or unethical that might damage our reputation with the customer base?'
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#317 - 2013-09-28 00:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Prince Kobol wrote:
What makes this Somer guy special?

Wasn't Somer Blink one of the sponsors of Eve Las Vegas?

Some Random Guy in Jita Local wrote:
I am surprised that Goons would misrepresent facts to complain about a situation in which they are not the sole beneficiary. Truly.

LolLolLolLolLolLol
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.

And day care centers, don't forget the day care centers.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#318 - 2013-09-28 01:14:52 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
What makes this Somer guy special?

Wasn't Somer Blink one of the sponsors of Eve Las Vegas?

Some Random Guy in Jita Local wrote:
I am surprised that Goons would misrepresent facts to complain about a situation in which they are not the sole beneficiary. Truly.

LolLolLolLolLolLol
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.

And day care centers, don't forget the day care centers.


My favorite thing about this post is how you probably thought it was pretty clever when you wrote it and, looking back, you probably still think it's pretty clever now. That's my favorite thing about this post, and my favorite thing about you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#319 - 2013-09-28 03:01:06 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.

And legal departments to tell them why they need training budgets to prevent the kind of appearance of impropriety that this creates. From a business standpoint, it's not even about 'did you do anything illegal or unethical?' it's about 'did you give any appearance of doing anything illegal or unethical that might damage our reputation with the customer base?'

Poor old t20 must be crying.

He would have not only gotten away with it if it was now, it would be trillions going to a truly good cause, such as a coalition that exists to destroy gsf

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#320 - 2013-09-28 03:22:49 UTC
I like when goons give away Their supers, and titans, they leave floating in random pos's but hey thats just me Shocked