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High-Sec POCOs: Bringing Null to High-Sec?
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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#81 - 2013-09-27 18:48:52 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.


hard to do..no cynos in highsec....
Adunh Slavy
#82 - 2013-09-27 18:49:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
structures are THE BEST



Yeah structure bashes are boring. Have another idea?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#83 - 2013-09-27 18:53:08 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.

hard to do..no cynos in highsec....

This is a challenge, isn't it

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2013-09-27 18:53:27 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
structures are THE BEST

Yeah structure bashes are boring. Have another idea?

Give the pocos even more hitpoints so everyone can join in

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Adunh Slavy
#85 - 2013-09-27 19:29:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
structures are THE BEST

Yeah structure bashes are boring. Have another idea?

Give the pocos even more hitpoints so everyone can join in



Never having done a poco bash, i really have no idea. But whatever allows more people to join in, could also make it too strong to remove. Balance will eveolve I suppose.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#86 - 2013-09-27 22:51:59 UTC
Here's another concept/change to tilt the holding of High Sec POCO's towards players with regular local activity:

This idea might be easier to implement than a fuel requirment:

1) Charge a 2 to 10 million Isk a month "licensing fee" to the controlling faction or concord or what other NPC eats up isk for station rents.


2) Poco's should get a piece of the PRODUCTION, not a ISK payment. Pocos should have a limited size hangar so that the POCO owners take of the goods would go wherever the goods go on the planet when the warehouses get full (go poof in otherwords) . Not a tiny hangar but one that would get full once a month on a well farmed planet.. less often on a lightly used planet.

---- that way, if someone doesn't come around and collect the goods, there is a negative cost to owning the POCOs

--- that would also create More PVP pirate opportunities as more cargo ships would need to fly around collecting large cargos, and the owners of the ships would stand out because of their corporate name if they did not regularly stay in system.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#87 - 2013-09-27 23:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Honestly, owning a poco really isn't lucrative. There are many hundreds of planets within a 10 jump radius of jita or any other market hub. No one isn't going to bother controlling them all, it just isn't worth the time.

A single player will make more from running a 7/10 or doing a few hacking/archaeology sites than two weeks worth of revenue from a poco. A lot more.

And that assume Lowsec/Nullsec/Wormholes where the yields are actually good. Really, I wouldn't worry about this.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2013-09-28 00:12:52 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
Well if they raise the taxes you can just raise the price on goods..



That somewhat misses the point. Why should my efforts go to subsidise one of the big cartels? What's in it for me?

All I can see if an opportunity to make the rich even richer.

I'm in what you might call a micro-corp with no alliance tie ups. Why? 'cos I like be my own boss and do things the way I like. After all I pay my subscription and it's MY game that I'm playing not the Goons' or any other null-sec alliance's. I admit that I play EVE poorly and am very poor, but that's my choice. If I had wanted to get rich for not much effort I would have joined one of the big cartels. Not that they would have accepted my application I fear. I'm just not cut out to be a small cog in a large machine in EVE, I've had enough of that in RL.

I can see no benefit to me through having someone own the POCO in the system I do my PI except maybe the satisfaction of knowing that I am helping to pay for someone else's subscription.

We'll see, but if it turns out as I fear it might I will have to consider leaving EVE, again. Bah! Evil


dude you are overreacting. those CO really cost a lot of isk and to earn their way they need to be up for many months on a planet people actually use. It is easy to shop around and pick low tax planets. It also takes very little time to blow up a CO. Half a dozen tier 3 BC's and u will have it done in no time. No one wants to run around defending such low isk generators and so it would be astonishing if high sec CO's end up with higher tax than the low sec ones. The low sec ones generally have a far lower tax rate than the high sec ones already. you might be paying tax to a player group after this change but it will still be lower than the CCP npc charge. If you don't like it you have the power to reinforce it constantly and make the owners miserable until they lower the tax rate for you. If you can't do it alone then maybe you need to learn that this isn't a single player game. HTFU

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