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Which Ship for Wormhole Exploration + Which Equip on them?
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MrAktilos MrAktilos
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#1 - 2013-09-23 13:20:24 UTC
I want to try explorations of Wormholes but i dont wanna use my drake and im pretty sure it isnt a good ship for that kind of exploration anyway. Can someone recommend me a good (and not to expensiv) ship for this kind of exploration. And which modules should i use on it besides the obvious probe launcher?
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#2 - 2013-09-23 13:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeway84
Scan frigate with scanning mods and covert ops cloak ftw Big smile

Dont forget core probes.
For running any of the pve content your needs vary depending on the class of wh, higher class wh needs more expensive ships or some friends in a fleet to run them.

C1-C2 soloable easy with Caracal , drake, harbinger, Cyclone, ect.
C3 if you have very good skills and all t2 fit on a drake you can run the sites although slow and painful and with a few warp outs when the battleships eat your shield..
People recomend battleships or T3 ship to run them, but if you are creative and know some people you could prob run them with t1 bc's and a few Remote repairs to spider tank.

C4-C6 you cant solo them. They are made for medium-bigger groups to chew on.

I seen actually once 2 dudes doing c4 sites with 2 cerberus warpin in at range and sniping the sleepers then warping out when catching to much flak from the sleepers.
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#3 - 2013-09-23 13:59:23 UTC
If you plan to run the sleeper sites solo you need something around 400 dps tank, preferably cap-less guns or missiles and probes of course.
Drake is preferable because the tank is passive, and thus not affected by neuting.
That said, there are many options - hurricane comes to mind as it can do similar things to the drake, legions and tengus are also pretty decent.
If you only plan to run data and relic sites you can use a covops, I think those kind of stites dont have sleepers in C1's and 2's but i might be wrong, in case they do simply use the above to clear them out and then jump into a covops and hack them.

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HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#4 - 2013-09-23 14:06:29 UTC
Asayanami Dei wrote:
If you only plan to run data and relic sites you can use a covops, I think those kind of stites dont have sleepers in C1's and 2's but i might be wrong, in case they do simply use the above to clear them out and then jump into a covops and hack them.


lol, of course they have sleepers. And you run a wormhole intel site?
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-23 15:08:23 UTC
HTC NecoSino wrote:
Asayanami Dei wrote:
If you only plan to run data and relic sites you can use a covops, I think those kind of stites dont have sleepers in C1's and 2's but i might be wrong, in case they do simply use the above to clear them out and then jump into a covops and hack them.


lol, of course they have sleepers. And you run a wormhole intel site?


Watch out, everyone. We've got a badass from Void Legion here. Please direct all your questions about insignificant and irrelevant sleeper sites to him, but be sure to do so in a properly respectful manner lest he degrade your feeble brains.
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#6 - 2013-09-23 16:25:23 UTC
HTC NecoSino wrote:
Asayanami Dei wrote:
If you only plan to run data and relic sites you can use a covops, I think those kind of stites dont have sleepers in C1's and 2's but i might be wrong, in case they do simply use the above to clear them out and then jump into a covops and hack them.


lol, of course they have sleepers. And you run a wormhole intel site?

Last time I ran a C1 relic it didn't spawn sleepers for some reason. In any case assuming i'm a walking encyclopedia because I run a site about w-space is silly.

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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#7 - 2013-09-23 17:05:15 UTC
Most people in wormholes don't bother with Relic/Data sites because the payout sucks. Several veteran wormhole CEOs I know don't know much about Relic/Data sites. I only know about them because I'm enough of a wormhole noob to have tried to run them and found Sleepers waiting for me. Lost a Heron that way....

What about running a black ops ship like a Pilgrim or something along those lines? Something that can scan well, and PvE as well.

I'm not sure what strength Sleepers at Relic/Data sites are, because I've never tried to run them. I know that in C4s the sites are strong enough to want a PvE fleet to dispatch. In C2s.... I'd be hesitant to take them on solo in a cruiser, but I'd probably give it a crack in a battlecruiser. Hopefully someone else with more experience will elaborate.
Baggo Hammers
#8 - 2013-09-23 17:26:22 UTC
Train into a covops frigate first so you can explore and get the lay of the land without instantly getting popped. Relic and Data sites have sleepers but as mentioned the payout sucks.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#9 - 2013-09-23 18:30:52 UTC
Riel Saigo wrote:
Most people in wormholes don't bother with Relic/Data sites because the payout sucks. Several veteran wormhole CEOs I know don't know much about Relic/Data sites. I only know about them because I'm enough of a wormhole noob to have tried to run them and found Sleepers waiting for me. Lost a Heron that way....

What about running a black ops ship like a Pilgrim or something along those lines? Something that can scan well, and PvE as well.

I'm not sure what strength Sleepers at Relic/Data sites are, because I've never tried to run them. I know that in C4s the sites are strong enough to want a PvE fleet to dispatch. In C2s.... I'd be hesitant to take them on solo in a cruiser, but I'd probably give it a crack in a battlecruiser. Hopefully someone else with more experience will elaborate.



Wrong, Thye payout for Relics and Datas are good. In datas in C2 you can get upwards of 50 mill in the cans. Relic are fairly worthless yet still worth doing as the payout in blueloot is higher than your average anoms.

C3s they are definatly worth doing for the Can Loot and sleeper salvage.

C2 Data and Relic are soloable in a drake, but there are one or two spawns that spit 400+ dps at you so if you see your sheilds going down warp out.
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2013-09-23 23:44:05 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
Riel Saigo wrote:
Most people in wormholes don't bother with Relic/Data sites because the payout sucks. Several veteran wormhole CEOs I know don't know much about Relic/Data sites. I only know about them because I'm enough of a wormhole noob to have tried to run them and found Sleepers waiting for me. Lost a Heron that way....

What about running a black ops ship like a Pilgrim or something along those lines? Something that can scan well, and PvE as well.

I'm not sure what strength Sleepers at Relic/Data sites are, because I've never tried to run them. I know that in C4s the sites are strong enough to want a PvE fleet to dispatch. In C2s.... I'd be hesitant to take them on solo in a cruiser, but I'd probably give it a crack in a battlecruiser. Hopefully someone else with more experience will elaborate.



Wrong, Thye payout for Relics and Datas are good. In datas in C2 you can get upwards of 50 mill in the cans. Relic are fairly worthless yet still worth doing as the payout in blueloot is higher than your average anoms.

C3s they are definatly worth doing for the Can Loot and sleeper salvage.

C2 Data and Relic are soloable in a drake, but there are one or two spawns that spit 400+ dps at you so if you see your sheilds going down warp out.


Citation needed. Only reason i've found to do the sites is for the sleeper loot, not the cans.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#11 - 2013-09-24 14:55:33 UTC
Well, it's not like I've kept spreadsheets recently. But when I've run cleanup on C2 Relic/Data sites (after my buddies cleared the Sleepers) I found it pretty unimpressive. Worse than the Relic/Data work I'd been doing in lowsec, to be honest.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#12 - 2013-09-24 15:44:12 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
Riel Saigo wrote:
Most people in wormholes don't bother with Relic/Data sites because the payout sucks. Several veteran wormhole CEOs I know don't know much about Relic/Data sites. I only know about them because I'm enough of a wormhole noob to have tried to run them and found Sleepers waiting for me. Lost a Heron that way....

What about running a black ops ship like a Pilgrim or something along those lines? Something that can scan well, and PvE as well.

I'm not sure what strength Sleepers at Relic/Data sites are, because I've never tried to run them. I know that in C4s the sites are strong enough to want a PvE fleet to dispatch. In C2s.... I'd be hesitant to take them on solo in a cruiser, but I'd probably give it a crack in a battlecruiser. Hopefully someone else with more experience will elaborate.



Wrong, Thye payout for Relics and Datas are good. In datas in C2 you can get upwards of 50 mill in the cans. Relic are fairly worthless yet still worth doing as the payout in blueloot is higher than your average anoms.

C3s they are definatly worth doing for the Can Loot and sleeper salvage.

C2 Data and Relic are soloable in a drake, but there are one or two spawns that spit 400+ dps at you so if you see your sheilds going down warp out.


Citation needed. Only reason i've found to do the sites is for the sleeper loot, not the cans.



This is personal Experience. For me 1/3 in c2 have 5-10 Caldari Hybrid techs. Each is worth about 4 mill each so in a c2 thats farly good money. The relics are garbage i'l give you that but its worth scanning the cans in the Datas as they have a decent chance to pay out more than the site loot.(This iss only for C2)
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#13 - 2013-09-24 16:28:45 UTC
Well, you may be right. Perhaps I was thinking of relics only.
Kupena
Xenophobics Asylum
#14 - 2013-09-27 20:13:32 UTC
Don't relic and data sites despawn when the sleepers are cleared and all the players involved leave the site?
Because I do remember them despawning if we left it unfinished...
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#15 - 2013-09-27 21:41:12 UTC
Yes they do

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#16 - 2013-09-27 21:56:17 UTC
Kupena wrote:
Don't relic and data sites despawn when the sleepers are cleared and all the players involved leave the site?
Because I do remember them despawning if we left it unfinished...


Afaik they do not despawn unless you attempt to hack the cans.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-09-27 22:54:05 UTC
They only despawn once someone attempts to hack the cans

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