Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Having looked at the proposed changes to EAFs (increase in EWAR range), I can come up with only one possible response: Pointless.

EAFs already have significantly shorter locking ranges than their T1 cousins, making them in most cases worse than T1 in the traditional EWAR role.

The only benefit EAFs will get will be if, in stating EWAR, CCP intends to include neuts, nos, webs, and warp disruptors/scramblers. Those would benefit from an increase of EWAR range. ECM, tracking disruptors, remote sensor damps, and target painters will not benefit from this change at all.

The below comparison is for the EWAR/locking range comparison by T1 and T2 hulls with all skills at 5, no links/boosts/implants or anything else (so just pilot skills), and meta 4 EWAR (because meta 4 is still strictly better than T2 in all cases, CCP fix plx):

• Hull | Lock | EWAR optimal | Max Vel | align


• Crucifier | 80 | 108 | 438 | 3.3
• Sentinel | 45 | 72 | 405 | 4.4


• Maulus | 80.63 | 54 | 469 | 3.2
• Keres | 48.75 | 54 | 414 | 4.2


• Vigil | 81.25 | 68 | 513 | 3.3
• Hyena | 43.75 | 45 | 425 | 4


• Griffin | 81.25 | 29/43 | 406 | 3.5
• Kitsune | 52.5 | 47/70 | 394 | 4

ECM optimals listed in the order of multispec / racial.


T2 is supposed to be more focused than T1. Yet their stats don't support that. They are in every case slower, less agile, and have significantly reduced locking range. Simply put, they have to get too close to use their EWAR, and stand a much lower chance of getting out of a bad situation than T1. Increase locking ranges by 75% and perhaps then we'll see them getting used.

Truth. Can't fix stupid.

Reading comprehension is apparently a very difficult concept for the average eve player.

Here's the tl;dr: EAFs need better locking range, not EWAR range.

Listening comprehension is apparently a very difficult concept for you.

What they told us yesterday about EAFs is only a teaser. They will be completely rebalancing these ships. Do you believe that the devs do not know what the lock range on these ships is? Do you realize that the T1s are superior because they have already been rebalanced, and these have not? Said rebalance is very likely going to include both the lock range and the effective range of both primary and secondary racial ewar. I would not be surprised to see these ships gain a role bonus in the area of 40-50% optimal range to racial ewar, making them a superior platform at longer ranges than Recons for things like TPs, TDs, Damps and ECM.

All I can say is I feel for CCP. Leave it to Eve players to complain at length about something that hasn't even been detailed yet.

QFT

Also, I thought they were getting a range bonus on secondary ewar - so, longer range points on the Keres, longer range webs on the Hyena, and longer range neuts on the Sentinel. (Does this mean that the Kitsune will basically have Blackbird bonuses on a frigate hull?)

Also, who's to say they won't buff things like lock range?

yes he did.
he also mentioned 35km neut range on the sentinnel. i dont know how they get that unless they are using medium neuts.

the web range will almost be that of the hugin. point will be that of the lachesis.

they did say cap recharge and lock range and speed was an issue. they are fixing that.
they will be tough.
small, fast, hard to lock.
and with the warp changes, extremely mobile.
a way to imagine these would be to imagine a picture of a hugin. you will be flying a picture. same abilities, but if you get hit, yer done. =)

As we all know they can only change one thing about a ship at a time.

You should really go watch the broadcast from the mini-site, including the bit right at the start of the 'EAF section' talking about looking at core stats....

In fact I would go so far as to exclaim OH SNAP!!