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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#441 - 2013-09-27 17:19:04 UTC
Kalishka Askulf wrote:
Ok, I propose the following in response to Somer Blink getting a HUUUUGE handout:

1) Nobody play the gambling "game". Seriously, not even the "free" tickets.

2) Do not purchase any of these ships if they hit the market, no matter how cheap they fall (not likely)

3) Shoot on site anybody related to that corp/alliance, as well as the ships in question. Even if you're a miner with no intention of fighting, buy a gun if you see them and blast them away. Suicide gank if you have to.

Everyone up for that as a response to this development? say "Aye!"


Better, still:

5) block the gambling site on your browsers immediately. Whenever some link pulls you there by mistake, the blocker should stop your hit being counted Blink
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#442 - 2013-09-27 17:19:30 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Way to miss the point.

The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.

YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.


This. It makes no difference if its a gold magnate or a pink rifter or 100 PLEX, CCP should not be giving out such enormous in-game value to a for-profit lottery company.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#443 - 2013-09-27 17:38:20 UTC
CCP, explain how giving out a bunch of rare/uniquie ships to a gambling site is any different from giving T2 BPO's to BoB.
Sabine Vynneve
Paisti
#444 - 2013-09-27 17:47:51 UTC
Didn't read the thread, but does someone actually believe all these ships won't be just won by SOMER alts?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#445 - 2013-09-27 17:54:24 UTC
Memnon Shepard wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea and isnt a somer alt or a truly mindless brownnoser?


MyEveLotto wrote:
People with gambling addictions...?


Straying a bit into ad hominem attacks for no reason... I'm willing to bet there are people out there, myself included, who aren't SOMER alts/brown nosers/gambling addicts and also think supporting player-driven initiatives to increase community turnout to live events is a good idea.

Yes I'm one of them.

I'm also one of those people who thinks the way they went about it is pants on head.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#446 - 2013-09-27 17:57:12 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
Memnon Shepard wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea and isnt a somer alt or a truly mindless brownnoser?


MyEveLotto wrote:
People with gambling addictions...?


Straying a bit into ad hominem attacks for no reason... I'm willing to bet there are people out there, myself included, who aren't SOMER alts/brown nosers/gambling addicts and also think supporting player-driven initiatives to increase community turnout to live events is a good idea.

Yes I'm one of them.

I'm also one of those people who thinks the way they went about it is pants on head.


This. I like this guy.

I also support CCP trying to support player-driven initiatives.

I just think they did it in perhaps the most terrible way possible, given their history and obvious knowledge of the player-base's perception and reaction toward past examples of favoritism on the part of CCP employees.

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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#447 - 2013-09-27 18:11:35 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
Dex Slim wrote:

Just giving one trillion in ISK to SOMER is not fair game. See the difference?


No. No I don't.

Somer blink has built up an organization and service that is successful to the point that they can do things like sponsor tournaments and add value/content to EVE. CCP should be able to recognize this and make whatever business arrangements they want with them.

How they compensate them for that doesn't really matter to me.

They could give them real money. (Which could be used to buy plex and then sold for isk.)
They could give them plex. (Which could be sold for isk.)
They could give them isk. (Which is already isk.)
They could give them ships. (Which could be sold for isk ... or auctioned off for isk.)

Either way CCP gets more content in their game and somer gets isk.

Cool. So now that the CFC has taken the whole west, and sponsors events like NPSI for the community to join in on, we can have increased deadspace drops within CFC sov as a perk? After all, that doesn't single anyone out - anyone can come rat in that space. They all have a fair chance at the drops just like with Somer. And it's not even collector loot.

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#448 - 2013-09-27 18:13:04 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
Abernie wrote:

So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.


What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure?


That argument would legitimise CCP giving, say, T2 BPOs to the site owners without any fanfare - "guys, here's a little something for making a site that involves the community and promotes our game".

Are you seriously saying that would be ok?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#449 - 2013-09-27 18:14:37 UTC
T'kimat wrote:
Steijn wrote:

Goons have contributed more to the community, lets give them the next set of free limited edition content to do as they please with.


Annoying ≠ contributing

Oh come on now. Without goons, what reason would the GRR GOONS crowd have for logging into game/forums and interacting with other players. If that's not content generation, then I don't know what is.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#450 - 2013-09-27 18:20:25 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
Abernie wrote:

So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.


What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure?

Except CCP is not a beer company.

You don't stick an F1 sticker on one particular F1 team, give the team a 1 2 start in the race, then call it promoting cars.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#451 - 2013-09-27 18:35:40 UTC
Tivookempireslave wrote:
MyEveLotto wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil?


You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned.


If you're unhappy that a legit organization gets a pat on the shoulder for the amazing amount of work they've done then I feel sorry for you.

The fact that the negative voices of the community stopped this is amazing. This is what's keeping EVE back from becoming a better game.


It's not a pat on the shoulder it's a blank check. If at least there was a way to audit the proceeds of this auction to amke sure every single ISK realted to this action would actually go to the EVE vegas event then it would start to make sense but it's not even the case because SOMER made sure to have thier regular operation also be involved in the auction so nobody will ever know wich ISK was for this or that.

You don't make a better game by having the referee give different calls/bonus to some/one team involved. This is basicly a baseball game where one team gets awarded 5 points on the board because the ref said so. How si that making a better game?
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#452 - 2013-09-27 18:45:29 UTC
While catching up with this thread, the name Markee Dragon was mentioned a few times. That particular name was temporarily foggy for a moment; so one quick Google search later, I found this little article.

So a person that had a shady past dealing with RMT (but allegedly has gone straight now) has a loose linked connection with Somer Blink who is the same party CCP wants to give rare items as a gambling prize. CCP has had their own shady past with the T20 ordeal. Birds of a feather that flock together perhaps...?

Just to speculate, since Dust has not been the huge money making project in terms of micro transactions and thus (potentially) left CCP in a deep debt to someone, could this be a twisted way to entice players to pay off that bill? Have people dump real money into game cards, convert them into ISK, and have a prayer's chance of salvation in Hell to win something that might just be rigged for nobody - save a few hand selected alts - to achieve. CCP banks on the purchase of legit gaming cards, this Markee Dragon person uses some old contacts and converts chunks of gambled ISK into a RMT route, this route offers incentives to players who buy these illegal chunks of ISK, and then CCP swoops in and removes these illegal gained ISK while subtly getting a cut of the illegally sold ISK's real money costs. Meanwhile, the winning alts could sell their rare ships to extremely high priced legitimate buyers and use that ISK for various illegal and legal slush funds here and there.

Thus CCP gets a double dip of payment from one ISK.

Nahhh, too far fetched.

*cues X-Files theme music...
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding
#453 - 2013-09-27 18:56:31 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Just to speculate....


I think Hanlon's razor will help you here.
Heywood Djiblomi
Doomheim
#454 - 2013-09-27 19:16:39 UTC
When do we start "shooting the monument", so to speak?
Heywood Djiblomi
Doomheim
#455 - 2013-09-27 19:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Heywood Djiblomi
'eff it...
Berstich
InterBus Central Division
#456 - 2013-09-27 19:20:51 UTC
How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base?
Steijn
Quay Industries
#457 - 2013-09-27 19:24:29 UTC
Berstich wrote:
How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base?


simply no way of knowing this, like no way of knowing that it will be a 100% genuine lottery and not bent as a nine bob note.
Sid Hudgens
Doomheim
#458 - 2013-09-27 19:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sid Hudgens
Well if you goonies think you can come up with some business deal with CCP then I welcome you to go ahead and take it to them. I think you should be prepared to be laughed out of the room though because you're a bunch of horrible trolls. And also because while you do create a great deal of content you also create a massive cyber-bullying controversy at CCPs first fanfest with sony.

My main thought on all of this is that the people in this thread a bunch of hysterical rabble-rousers and that CCP was just trying to do something fun for eve vegas.

This is why we can't have nice things.

"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced."

T'kimat
Inner Geek
#459 - 2013-09-27 19:26:06 UTC
Steijn wrote:
Berstich wrote:
How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base?


simply no way of knowing this, like no way of knowing that it will be a 100% genuine lottery and not bent as a nine bob note.


No way of knowing otherwise - but you're right, crying and raging is so much more fun.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#460 - 2013-09-27 19:26:14 UTC
Berstich wrote:
How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base?


Incorrect. They integrated the community event with Somer's game system. In order to have a chance at winning one of these prizes which are supposedly open to anyone in the community to win, you MUST participate in blinks. This means that in order to possibly win these prizes, you MUST give money to Somer Blink in order to play in Blinks which give you tickets in the Blast.

That is how Somer is making a profit. They did not have to pay anything for the prizes they are giving out, which means that it is pure profit that they're taking in through the sale of tickets to have a shot at winning the items. These proceeds are not going to the Vegas event, and because the system for awarding these prizes is integrated into the standard system for Somer Blasts, there is no possible way to know what money came in specifically for these prize (thus, there is no way to funnel that money toward the Vegas event).

The money is not going back into the player base at all. It is going into the Somer corporation wallet.

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