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CCP heard us, this will be the turning point!

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#21 - 2013-09-27 18:01:29 UTC
Harry:

Maybe the idea of Guerilla-style tactics referred to the EAF extended range, and the nerfed acceleration and agility of large ships relative to small ships, and the buffed inty.

Or the ability to ninja steal moon goon with the siphon modules.

Of course, that is just pure marketing garbage.
Small squads will still not be able inflict any real damage on the cartels, as even if they can tackle something big, by the time they can inflict enough damage on a large target to truly threaten it, the large target can still batphone for tons of support.

As for siphoning tons of moon goo from the cartels, you still have to be able to get in, and then get out. Many of the lucrative moons are well beyond any jump capabilities of ships, and even if they were in jump range, sorry, jumping a squad in of 10 billion worth of BLOP's is NOT what I would call Guerilla class tactics, or cost.

If CCP had followed through with moon goo ring mining, and the ability to ninja-mine a whole ring in short order, that would be more hurtful towards the cartels. But the cartels quashed that concept fast.

No, this release is just more of the same.
Null sec gets a bigger chunk of the high sec income, as they will quickly control all the lucrative planets in high sec.

I am still waiting for high sec T2 industry to be handed to null sec.
Then again, I figure now that the high sec POCO thing was just the first step.
Why ban T2 mfg in high sec when you are planning on making the high sec NPC stations conquerable, and after the summer release, the null sec cartels will control all the high sec mfg slots?
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-09-27 18:06:18 UTC
Oh yes, there will be blood. Rubicon was not only the river Caesar crossed as a point of no return, it was also allegedly a "red river".

And so, space shall run red with the blood of those who oppose our dominance!

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2013-09-27 18:08:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
best part, while they whine and beg for free stuff, I will burn down their stations Lol
I wouldn't get too excited. I doubt blowing up stations is what they had in mind.

Shooting structures.

I think Harry has discovered the secret of our power

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2013-09-27 18:09:55 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I am still waiting for high sec T2 industry to be handed to null sec.
Then again, I figure now that the high sec POCO thing was just the first step.
Why ban T2 mfg in high sec when you are planning on making the high sec NPC stations conquerable, and after the summer release, the null sec cartels will control all the high sec mfg slots?

Highsec, eh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-09-27 18:15:26 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
best part, while they whine and beg for free stuff, I will burn down their stations Lol
I wouldn't get too excited. I doubt blowing up stations is what they had in mind.


I feel fear in your words, POS Busters incoming, thats what I say

timebombs for asteroid fields, if you dockup I will plant mines all over your system, you guys finally will need to play
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#26 - 2013-09-27 18:18:33 UTC
Dinsdale, why are you playing this game? And it is not for trolling reasons, I am genuinely curious about it.

If you are right and there is big conspiracy of "cartels" and CCP against hisec you are just whistleblower that nobody listens and everybody makes fun of and you cannot do anything to prevent it. In fact this is also true if you are wrong, nobody listens, everybody laughs and you are fighting with imaginary enemy.

Either way it is not an environment I would call leisure time especially that you have to pay for it. So why?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-09-27 18:19:00 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Dinsdale, why are you playing this game? And it is not for trolling reasons, I am genuinely curious about it.

If you are right and there is big conspiracy of "cartels" and CCP against hisec you are just whistleblower that nobody listens and everybody makes fun of and you cannot do anything to prevent it. In fact this is also true if you are wrong, nobody listens, everybody laughs and you are fighting with imaginary enemy.

Either way it is not an environment I would call leisure time especially that you have to pay for it. So why?

Masochism

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-09-27 18:20:18 UTC
While I think that Siphon structure was aimed squarely at monopoly disruption, I suspect it will only make the game more interesting, and more fun for the CFC as they'll actually have to defend territory against small incursions. This might cause them to log in more, and blow up more pilots (or get blown up themselves occasionally).

That might, in turn, keep more of them from wandering off to other games, which might, in turn mean more game-play (errmm... "content"?) for all involved. Wait... Giving CFC a challenge to stand up against could make the game commercially viable for longer... This might (hedging), might, actually be a good thing.

Auggghh... losing cynicism, somebody HALP!
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#29 - 2013-09-27 18:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Masochism

Nah, it can't be that simple.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2013-09-27 18:25:46 UTC
Why not, clearly this will work out just as every random person who hates goons is fantasizing

their moon mining dream is over

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-09-27 18:27:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Harry:

Maybe the idea of Guerilla-style tactics referred to the EAF extended range, and the nerfed acceleration and agility of large ships relative to small ships, and the buffed inty.

Or the ability to ninja steal moon goon with the siphon modules.

Of course, that is just pure marketing garbage.
Small squads will still not be able inflict any real damage on the cartels, as even if they can tackle something big, by the time they can inflict enough damage on a large target to truly threaten it, the large target can still batphone for tons of support.

As for siphoning tons of moon goo from the cartels, you still have to be able to get in, and then get out. Many of the lucrative moons are well beyond any jump capabilities of ships, and even if they were in jump range, sorry, jumping a squad in of 10 billion worth of BLOP's is NOT what I would call Guerilla class tactics, or cost.

If CCP had followed through with moon goo ring mining, and the ability to ninja-mine a whole ring in short order, that would be more hurtful towards the cartels. But the cartels quashed that concept fast.

No, this release is just more of the same.
Null sec gets a bigger chunk of the high sec income, as they will quickly control all the lucrative planets in high sec.

I am still waiting for high sec T2 industry to be handed to null sec.
Then again, I figure now that the high sec POCO thing was just the first step.
Why ban T2 mfg in high sec when you are planning on making the high sec NPC stations conquerable, and after the summer release, the null sec cartels will control all the high sec mfg slots?


they just need to add mines and stuff, POS Busters and timebombs that we solo pilots can deploy, CCP clearly wants more dynamic happening, so we need tools to assure when alliances dockup that we can damager some stuff of them or plant some bombs or mines, a lot of things can be put into place, a complete arsenal of equipment

a timebomb put on an asteroid blowing up the miners or at least damaging them, if we get such kind of tools, alliances and nullbears would need to think about fighting us instead of just docking up

I'm 100% convinced we get some of this, because we solo pilots not in fear of anything will bring dynamic to the game, at the moment out there its all stagnating because of the big blocks, its boring for everybody, they hunting ships 30 vs. 1, most of the time I'm the only one out there in VFK, 1 vs. 100 goons docking at the station or ratting

with some timebombs and mines, the focus of the alliances will need to shift from lacyness to playing the game and protecting their systems, maybe even some war will emerge if we can sabotage stuff withing the CFC and assure they start fighting eachother because we hide the truth who did it....

there could be tools, like a device to showup on the overview as a CFC member altough you are not, then you start a war by bombing their stations...
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#32 - 2013-09-27 18:27:31 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Guerilla-style Warfare Support - Tactics to chip away at the behemoths have surfaced, allowing small fleets of mercenaries, saboteurs and troublemakers to become cause for concern for even the most reinforced of alliance strongholds.

this is too good to be true, we need bombs to deploy on their station! blasting those alliances to heaven!

nullsec theme park will burn! solo pilots will lead the new millenium!... grillparty starting November 19!

provide us some serious stuff here to shakeup those nullsec teddybears!



I am pleased to announce that I will be Co-Consp.... cooperating with OP to fund and open

NULLSEC LAND

New Eden's premier abusement parkĀ®

Coming 2014

yes

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-09-27 18:27:56 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
You are right, Harry. I already packed all my stuff and will be moving back to high-sec. You won. Good game, sir, good game.


Yeah.

Keep laughing as long as you can.

We also laughed when Harry declared war on us in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3315230#post3315230

And now look what happened only several weeks later: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Test_Alliance_Please_Ignore

Coincidence?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#34 - 2013-09-27 18:28:25 UTC
hahaha....hahahaha all you little carebears with your reaction pos's in lowsec...you will hate me.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#35 - 2013-09-27 18:42:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Dinsdale, why are you playing this game? And it is not for trolling reasons, I am genuinely curious about it.

If you are right and there is big conspiracy of "cartels" and CCP against hisec you are just whistleblower that nobody listens and everybody makes fun of and you cannot do anything to prevent it. In fact this is also true if you are wrong, nobody listens, everybody laughs and you are fighting with imaginary enemy.

Either way it is not an environment I would call leisure time especially that you have to pay for it. So why?

Masochism


A winrar is you.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#36 - 2013-09-27 18:43:51 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Masochism

Nah, it can't be that simple.


Sure it is. Some people cut themselves, some people self-flagellate, and some people play games that make them angry and paranoid.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#37 - 2013-09-27 18:44:35 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Dinsdale, why are you playing this game? And it is not for trolling reasons, I am genuinely curious about it.

If you are right and there is big conspiracy of "cartels" and CCP against hisec you are just whistleblower that nobody listens and everybody makes fun of and you cannot do anything to prevent it. In fact this is also true if you are wrong, nobody listens, everybody laughs and you are fighting with imaginary enemy.

Either way it is not an environment I would call leisure time especially that you have to pay for it. So why?


Recently we have seen a few people leave CCP that were instrumental in the attacks against high sec. Whether those positions are backfilled with more people of the same ilk is likely, but NOT set in stone. We have also seen a couple people hired from EA that are more far more likely interested in growing the subscription base as opposed to catering to the null sec cartels. (do you know how awful things have got that I consider EA exec's the saviours of Eve?)

If you put those things together, there is a small chance, albeit a tiny one, that if enough people like me continue to expose the underlying reasons for why the game is being destroyed for the majority of players, then maybe, just maybe, in the near future, the right person in power might read a post, look at the subscription rates, and say, "hey, this current model is nuts".

That is the day I dream of. When someone in a position of power says "No more, null sec cartels and your acolytes, no more. Your days of wrecking the game for your own gain is over."

And if that day comes, remote as the chances are, all the aggravation and abuse from dealing with the null sec cartel propaganda teams will be worth it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-09-27 18:45:06 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
best part, while they whine and beg for free stuff, I will burn down their stations Lol



Last time you said that you killed a bunch of cyno ships and uhm ... well actually just a few cyno ships.


We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#39 - 2013-09-27 18:45:11 UTC
One team creates potentially good stuff, another team gives a 3rd party a trillion isk in unique ships.
So let's not generalize.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#40 - 2013-09-27 18:48:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Dinsdale, why are you playing this game? And it is not for trolling reasons, I am genuinely curious about it.

If you are right and there is big conspiracy of "cartels" and CCP against hisec you are just whistleblower that nobody listens and everybody makes fun of and you cannot do anything to prevent it. In fact this is also true if you are wrong, nobody listens, everybody laughs and you are fighting with imaginary enemy.

Either way it is not an environment I would call leisure time especially that you have to pay for it. So why?

Masochism

Damn that Alavaria, always beating me to the punch.

To be honest it's probably more than that. I've dealt with conspiracy types in my irl job, the all have a couple things in common: a latent, just below the surface Hero/Messiah Complex (ie "i am the truth you are to blind to see, I am the way") coupled with a not at all latent, way over the surface paranoia (ie the shadowy "man" is out to get me).

It doesn't matter how often you prove them wrong (like those biblical guys who say there is a date for the end of the world and the next day after they just "revise" the date because of a "new revelation"), they can't be wrong in the 1st place. This is also why they never quit, quitting would be handing a victory to the "forces of shadowy behind-the-scenes evil".