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Winter expansion...Win or Fail?

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Bilboz
Cranky Old Bastards
#1 - 2011-11-15 17:14:13 UTC
I vote fail looks to nothing but window dressing and major issues like truesec and fixing hybrids were ignored/pushed off yet again. So in 2 weeks we get more crap and empty space.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#2 - 2011-11-15 17:16:20 UTC
Absolute ****. Too many promises unfulfilled.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#3 - 2011-11-15 17:19:28 UTC
Is this a troll post or a whine post? I mean, they are getting back on track and starting to fix as many problems as possible. Stop whining.
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#4 - 2011-11-15 17:24:16 UTC
What about waiting until it's published?X

And are there really persons, who expect * A L L * done promisses being packed into one release? Shocked

Again the rule got it's confirmation: "You cannot satisfy everyone."

Black Dranzer
#5 - 2011-11-15 17:24:16 UTC
Sure, I'll be the Devil's Advocate here.

This expansion has a lot of neat stuff. The new ships, lots of neat little fixes, a change of direction, plenty of balance changes, not to mention the extra glitter in the form of nebulae, stars, trails..

.. But all of it is indeed small stuff.

The big problems Eve has right now are with its core. Nullsec needs a revamp. Lowsec needs a revamp. Faction Warfare, Sov, Bounty Hunting, Smuggling, Mining and Industry.

These are the big things, and this expansion won't address any of them.

Crucible is buying time and goodwill. And it'll buy a lot of it.

But the fight isn't even close to over.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#6 - 2011-11-15 17:27:02 UTC
Black Dranzer wrote:
Sure, I'll be the Devil's Advocate here.

This expansion has a lot of neat stuff. The new ships, lots of neat little fixes, a change of direction, plenty of balance changes, not to mention the extra glitter in the form of nebulae, stars, trails..

.. But all of it is indeed small stuff.

The big problems Eve has right now are with its core. Nullsec needs a revamp. Lowsec needs a revamp. Faction Warfare, Sov, Bounty Hunting, Smuggling, Mining and Industry.

These are the big things, and this expansion won't address any of them.

Crucible is buying time and goodwill. And it'll buy a lot of it.

But the fight isn't even close to over.

Of course not, but its a step in the right direction. It'll take a while for them to revamp all the core ideas of EVE, but some of this small stuff was rather necessary. I mean, really, they got rid of engine trails forever ago to be dickbags. They NEEDED to put those back in.
Rixiu
PonyTek
#7 - 2011-11-15 17:27:46 UTC
Guys, this is only the first part and it's only natural that there's loads of low-handing fruit in this one. As far as I know ther'll still be two more early next year with what I assume will be FW fixes, another revisit to blasters (if necissary), Assault Frigs etc.

Fix Hybrids
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-15 17:37:59 UTC
This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#9 - 2011-11-15 17:41:13 UTC
Fix Hybrids wrote:
This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.


Whats "FW"?

Is that some sorta new module or something? Certainly you aren't talking about Faction Warfare. That boat sailed like two years ago.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-15 17:45:09 UTC
Bilboz wrote:
I vote fail looks to nothing but window dressing and major issues like truesec and fixing hybrids were ignored/pushed off yet again. So in 2 weeks we get more crap and empty space.


Geez, can't even wait til after the launch to call fail.

You know, criticism is good and all. But without context it doesn't do anything.

And they have done some fixes to true-sec, and they have introduced some balances to hybrids.

But as always that is not what you truly meant, and that I should read between the lines because explaining it is too mutch of a bother.

I guess this is also the fault of the SCM and their lack of communication to the devs. And that this somehow is Mittanis true goal in ruining EVE. And that the goons ultimately are to blame.

Have I covered all the tinfoils now aswell?

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.

Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-15 17:47:31 UTC
Fix Hybrids wrote:
This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.



I have a feeling that this isn't the expansion they had initially planned. It's likely that they were going to go one direction up until late September, and now have done this in 2 months based on what happened over Monaclegate.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.

Dunmur
Tempered Logic
#12 - 2011-11-15 19:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dunmur
Well this expansion does almost nothing for me as a player. My patients are gone after 3 years the hybrid changes are detestable. Nullsec changes are nonexistent. So im just going to unsub for the next year or more while they finnish "tweaking" hybrids and nullsec.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-15 20:14:31 UTC
Dunmur wrote:
My patients are gone after 3 years .


So you work in a hospital and after 3 years your patients ran away? Shocked
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Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#14 - 2011-11-15 20:17:16 UTC
Its better than the previous crap expansions, but not good enough.
Jita Alt666
#15 - 2011-11-15 20:17:45 UTC
Winter expansion: when is the final part released?

The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion.

Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.
Drifterin Thedark
#16 - 2011-11-15 20:19:51 UTC
Wail.
DeLaBu
CAF Industries
#17 - 2011-11-15 20:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLaBu
Win.

Seeing as they did a 180 on their direction, and they probably did not have a full dev cycle for the "new" direction, it makes sense they'll go for the 80% gain for 20% effort things first.

Hopefully they are now settled in their new better direction and will start to work on those things not so easy to fix quickly and that may need a full dev cycle to do properly.

Also, people aren't just CPUs you plug in - it's understandable that some things will just be bling, because some of the developers are bling developers and can't just be plugged in to do core stuff.

Of course, time will tell whether they will take this much needed revamp end-out and fix the biggies that are remaining.

For now, I am happy with many small annoyances fixed, stemming the supercap tide, some new toys, fair lag and some new bling.

Now you just keep on heading in that direction CCP P
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#18 - 2011-11-15 20:23:51 UTC
It depends on your perspective. From a content or balancing standpoint, this expansion is pretty thin imho, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with that. However, if you were to ask me incidentally I say it's a win, because what it really represents is CCP sending a message to us that they are re-focused on making a great space game first and WiS as time allows. That fundamental shift in priorities and meaningful effort to 'turn the ship around' mid-establishments-stride is a pretty strong move, and I think it gives people a reason to get excited again for the future of eve. I'm willing to say that despite/given a 'thin' release and the time restraints of doing all this since the Fearless incident, CCPs done very well under the circumstances. I would expect something much more robust come summer, but for now I am happy with the direction of the game and look forward to many more years of good EvE gameplay.

...just my 2 isk.

TL;DR; Win.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-15 20:25:54 UTC
Fix Hybrids wrote:
This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.


what about some research into those issues before you start barking...

I am sorry that hybrid changes didnt make hybrids the best weapon system all around.

Faction warfare : i am not the one interested in it/speaking of research, but if you read through some interesting posts there, especially one from Hans you would know that CSM will have discussion regarding FW and that Hans is in contact with CSM about it.

NullSec revamp : well SC nerf will actually make some changes to null, sure sovereignty mechanics etc. is hardly my field of expertise and i am quite confident that current CSM actually knows whats what and have had some discussion on it, or will have.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-15 20:29:08 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Winter expansion: when is the final part released?

The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion.

Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.


well actually its not that bad of an setup concidering lvl III missions the dual 425s are good call..

trimarks well you never know if someone will try to suicide gank you xD hardly this ship thoLol
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