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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-09-26 14:25:30 UTC
I would have thought an instacane would work pretty well to answer OP's question.
It is also pontless as many people have stated.
I made a mining alt and mined a couple of bill over time.
In out of the way systems the main risk is being yellow boxed by BC's owned by the local miner whose ore you are "stealing".
Being yellow boxed doesn't seem to affect yield in anyway.
If you move to busier systems with lower sec status then u will start to see various new things.
ventures behaving oddly and sometimes visibly locking you (no idea if they hadn't heard of passive targeters or were failing to use them properly) that are acting as scouts. u will also see this from other barges and various other ship types.
You will also see the hoover mining fleets that swarm like locusts and destroy every roid in sight.
You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

From this i learn that mining is very dull.
Mining doesn't make enough isk unless you multibox.
fitting for max yield will more than cover your losses from ganking.
having a guard is stupid as they would be better off making isk and sending u a fraction of those rewards earned to buy u a new ship if your current one explodes.

Most miners however are strangers to logic, humour and polite language and it isn't the ship exploding that makes gankers gank. It i the sanity of the miner exploding all over local and in evemails.
The only enjoyment i got from mining was reading local after a gank. This sometimes required google translate and those ones were especially amusing.
I read http://www.minerbumping.com/ every day as it is easily the best blog in eve.

I no longer mine.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#42 - 2013-09-26 16:17:20 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:

You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

I can't be everywhere. Big smile

Actually, I'm taking a break from ganking Miners to learn how to gank Explorers. Something different to do; even gankers get bored.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-09-26 16:54:29 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

I can't be everywhere. Big smile

Actually, I'm taking a break from ganking Miners to learn how to gank Explorers. Something different to do; even gankers get bored.



Hmm... that could be very entertaining! And those ships are EXPENSIVE! Youll need to update a bit more once you get a few down... Pirate

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-09-26 22:56:04 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
I would have thought an instacane would work pretty well to answer OP's question.
It is also pontless as many people have stated.
I made a mining alt and mined a couple of bill over time.
In out of the way systems the main risk is being yellow boxed by BC's owned by the local miner whose ore you are "stealing".
Being yellow boxed doesn't seem to affect yield in anyway.
If you move to busier systems with lower sec status then u will start to see various new things.
ventures behaving oddly and sometimes visibly locking you (no idea if they hadn't heard of passive targeters or were failing to use them properly) that are acting as scouts. u will also see this from other barges and various other ship types.
You will also see the hoover mining fleets that swarm like locusts and destroy every roid in sight.
You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

From this i learn that mining is very dull.
Mining doesn't make enough isk unless you multibox.
fitting for max yield will more than cover your losses from ganking.
having a guard is stupid as they would be better off making isk and sending u a fraction of those rewards earned to buy u a new ship if your current one explodes.

Most miners however are strangers to logic, humour and polite language and it isn't the ship exploding that makes gankers gank. It i the sanity of the miner exploding all over local and in evemails.
The only enjoyment i got from mining was reading local after a gank. This sometimes required google translate and those ones were especially amusing.
I read http://www.minerbumping.com/ every day as it is easily the best blog in eve.

I no longer mine.


An industrial player is a little different than a miner. Industrial players measure everything in cost effectiveness.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#45 - 2013-09-26 23:54:52 UTC
Quote:
An industrial player is a little different than a miner. Industrial players measure everything in cost effectiveness.


I would disagree, and I know quite a few of them.

The real indy players are the guys who not only sell ganking catalysts, but retrievers too Twisted. The true indy player is just about the only guy who really wins at EVE. Other people can fight each other from across the sector, and no matter who survives the fight, he wins.

A miner is, by and large, someone pretending to play EVE, or at best, someone who prioritizes the single most boring activity in the game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#46 - 2013-09-27 17:08:48 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

I can't be everywhere. Big smile

Actually, I'm taking a break from ganking Miners to learn how to gank Explorers. Something different to do; even gankers get bored.



Hmm... that could be very entertaining! And those ships are EXPENSIVE! Youll need to update a bit more once you get a few down... Pirate

Shall do. :)
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-09-27 23:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsuo Tsukaya
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vrenth wrote:
Matilda Cox wrote:

what ship would this be? and how fast could i blow up a destroyer?



Smartbombs will destroy a large group of catalysts instantly Twisted



I was going to suggest the same thing.

The smartbombs will also take out any nasty rats that get in the way of your mining too.



Probably also hit someone who isn't suspect/criminal and cause your smart bombing battleship to get ganked by Concord.

EDIT: A smart bombing Rokh isn't going to have enough of an alpha strike to kill an untanked catalyst anyway, unless you get silly and start fitting officer smart bombs and such.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-09-28 00:48:42 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

I can't be everywhere. Big smile

Actually, I'm taking a break from ganking Miners to learn how to gank Explorers. Something different to do; even gankers get bored.



Hmm... that could be very entertaining! And those ships are EXPENSIVE! Youll need to update a bit more once you get a few down... Pirate


I have experiance here too.
You need to scan the hacking site first. They will most likely be in cov-ops but will get distracted by the mini game. kill them then. they are all ready for ganking and fit WCS in lows to u need to kill them quick or have multiple points. stealth bombers fit with light missiles seem to work very well for this specialised task.
The other method is the standard gate camp with someone ready to decloak at the bubble. a small bubble directly in line with a popular route works very well and to kill these guys even running the camp solo works fine. i have done this on both ends of the gun and evading gankers /killing explorers both work out well.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#49 - 2013-09-28 04:30:44 UTC
The new SoE ships might end up good both for exploring and decloaking to kill explorers.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#50 - 2013-09-28 05:22:51 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I recommend buying a permit. Contact your local gankers. Alternatively you can send me 10mil isk per pilot for a New Order mining permit. They are good for one year and valid throughout hisec. See http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html for more details.



Falsely represent ... bla bla bla
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2013-09-28 09:29:34 UTC
stay aligned + d-scan seems rocket science to HS carebears......

RIP Iron Lady
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#52 - 2013-09-28 12:30:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Daisai wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I recommend buying a permit. Contact your local gankers. Alternatively you can send me 10mil isk per pilot for a New Order mining permit. They are good for one year and valid throughout hisec. See http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html for more details.



Falsely represent ... bla bla bla

Can't falsely represent an informal, all inclusive organisation, especially one that doesn't appear to exist for ToS enforcement purposes.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
K'Taulis
Free Lunch
#53 - 2013-09-28 23:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: K'Taulis
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I recommend buying a permit. Contact your local gankers. Alternatively you can send me 10mil isk per pilot for a New Order mining permit. They are good for one year and valid throughout hisec. See http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html for more details.



Falsely represent ... bla bla bla

Can't falsely represent an informal, all inclusive organisation, especially one that doesn't appear to exist for ToS enforcement purposes.


Both true and False, because no mechanic 'officially' exists in game for the issuing of or the enforcement of these 'Mining Permits' it is not possible to successfully petition someone for falsely claiming to have a permit. However since many (but not all) New Order 'Knights' are in New Order Corps and Alliance Representing yourself as part of the Order (if you are not) should be done with extreme caution because you can be banned.

Disclaimer: I am not currently nor do I intend to be a Part of the New Order, simply playing Devil's Advocate
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-09-29 02:20:19 UTC
I remain unconcerned about being banned for representing an organization that doesn't, according to the ISDs, even exist. But you should pass this information on to my wife. She would be delighted to know there might be some way to get me to stop playing Eve.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#55 - 2013-09-29 07:21:27 UTC
Matilda Cox wrote:
We got -10 players ganking in x system atm.
they fly cheap destroyers. I was wondering would it make sence to have a counter ship stashed in a orca?
what ship would this be? and how fast could i blow up a destroyer?



The best to avoid getting ganked in eve is by not playing the game, plenty of players have been going with that tactic and it has done pre-order's for 2 games pretty good.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#56 - 2013-09-29 11:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Daisai wrote:

The best to avoid getting ganked in eve is by not playing the game, plenty of players have been going with that tactic and it has done pre-order's for 2 games pretty good.

Citation needed.

TBH a lot of them will come back. Part of the attraction of Eve, even for so called "carebears" like myself, is the inherent risk presented by other players. Everybody takes a break sometime, otherwise it can turn into skill training online, especially for people that choose to play solo. I'm just about to take one myself, playing the crap out of games that present me with instant gratification, while planning out a new direction to take when I come back in a few months.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#57 - 2013-09-29 13:32:00 UTC
I'm waiting to see how far they backtrack on the TOS debacle. I'm not sure why CCP feels the need to punch the living crap out of a tar baby once every 1-2 years but it does make me question the hours I spend on this game.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#58 - 2013-09-30 00:59:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Daisai wrote:

The best to avoid getting ganked in eve is by not playing the game, plenty of players have been going with that tactic and it has done pre-order's for 2 games pretty good.

Citation needed.

TBH a lot of them will come back. Part of the attraction of Eve, even for so called "carebears" like myself, is the inherent risk presented by other players. Everybody takes a break sometime, otherwise it can turn into skill training online, especially for people that choose to play solo. I'm just about to take one myself, playing the crap out of games that present me with instant gratification, while planning out a new direction to take when I come back in a few months.


This. In fact, a lot of this.

I'd like to add, by the way, that there's nothing wrong with single player games, or non MMO games in general. X Rebirth looks like a fine game, and I intend to buy it and play the crap out of it. It's fine to enjoy solo, single player gameplay, there's a place for that.

But that place is not EVE Online.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-09-30 01:23:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
An industrial player is a little different than a miner. Industrial players measure everything in cost effectiveness.


I would disagree, and I know quite a few of them.

The real indy players are the guys who not only sell ganking catalysts, but retrievers too Twisted. The true indy player is just about the only guy who really wins at EVE. Other people can fight each other from across the sector, and no matter who survives the fight, he wins.

A miner is, by and large, someone pretending to play EVE, or at best, someone who prioritizes the single most boring activity in the game.



Quiet, don't give away my secrets, just because I deal arms to both sides of the conflict. I have bpo's for tanks too but sadly those hardly sell as well as the ORE ships, strip miners, and the cat hulls.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#60 - 2013-09-30 01:28:03 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
I would have thought an instacane would work pretty well to answer OP's question.
It is also pontless as many people have stated.
I made a mining alt and mined a couple of bill over time.
In out of the way systems the main risk is being yellow boxed by BC's owned by the local miner whose ore you are "stealing".
Being yellow boxed doesn't seem to affect yield in anyway.
If you move to busier systems with lower sec status then u will start to see various new things.
ventures behaving oddly and sometimes visibly locking you (no idea if they hadn't heard of passive targeters or were failing to use them properly) that are acting as scouts. u will also see this from other barges and various other ship types.
You will also see the hoover mining fleets that swarm like locusts and destroy every roid in sight.
You will rarely see a ganker and in my whole experiment i got ganked once.

From this i learn that mining is very dull.
Mining doesn't make enough isk unless you multibox.
fitting for max yield will more than cover your losses from ganking.
having a guard is stupid as they would be better off making isk and sending u a fraction of those rewards earned to buy u a new ship if your current one explodes.

Most miners however are strangers to logic, humour and polite language and it isn't the ship exploding that makes gankers gank. It i the sanity of the miner exploding all over local and in evemails.
The only enjoyment i got from mining was reading local after a gank. This sometimes required google translate and those ones were especially amusing.
I read http://www.minerbumping.com/ every day as it is easily the best blog in eve.

I no longer mine.



I am pleased at your progression from miner to EVE player, and wish others would do the same.

I did not use passive targetters correctly for a long time, meaning I might have been one of those Ventures. The proper use of them isn't really documented in game at all and I didn't realise I was doing it wrong until I had my alt passive scan me.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com