Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If players weren't so focused on having complete access to all your information whenever you apply to a Corp or Alliance, then certificates might be more relevant. As is, they are not, and whatever you do with them is likely a waste of time. They are a cool, (and I mean relatively interesting), feature, but there is no specific use for them in the game.

I don't see any point in wasting time on them.

Probably to avoid server overload. If you have to claim certifate it is an single action started by you. Claiming certificate by server require some sort of a worker thread which periodically claimes them. Of course there are ways to avoid this problem* but CCP is too lazy to implement it. I see this pattern in many different places.

*server could claim all certificates on login and after login your client can periodically check if they are ready to claim and inform server.

I like the first 3 Ideas,

don't show them publicly

Drag them into text

and look at them on permission!

I like certificates being possible to set as public, so people can view how awesome I am. ;)

However, what I find more important is that custom certificates can be designed for recruitment situations for example.
We recuire that you have "this" certificate (custom group of skills), the recruit claims the certificate (from link) and then re-posts it as where it displays as claimed eg; the recruit has the base skills required.

This could in turn allow for custom roles based on corporation certificates, when you have capital and jumpskills, you get access to hangar 4 which is fuel hangar, as an example.

Other than that, I would expect that career choices are introduced that are more inline with what people do.
One thing I would like to enlighten is the usage of refining skills as a pre-requisit for t2 mining crystals and mining certificates.

refining is not equal to mining, its like if your production required your science to be maxed, or missiles for gunnery skills.
They are similar, but they are not related in such a way that it is defendable to force players to train refining skills, allow it to be a specialization for those who want to be good at refining.

Also, as always before, I have always thought that spacship command and advanced spaceship command along with navigation should be the skills that determines if you can fly a given ship. While all other skills are focused on bonuses to make the ship usable to its full potential. eg; the only required prerequisit should be spacehip command (t1) or advanced spacehip command (t2) and navigation (class dependant).

I think the mature thing on CCP's side would be to yield to the masses and admitting that certificates have no value.
not only they are pretty useless for recruiters, ship-fitting and bragging they are pretty obsolete with the revised skill tree from Odyssey where all the skills make perfect sense in their categories and people would skill according the skill group. for example: I fly Minmatar. so, that usually speed and shields, no? let's see what we have in the shield and navigation skill categories - this is much more informative.
also, some certs are misleading you to think that the skills that are required to obtain them are all equally important, like Core Competency has targeting skills, this is so not necessary to be a competent pilot compared to, say, CPU management.
this is a very generic and not very effective way of prioritizing skills. every non-noob pilot can go over the list in EVEmon and see for himself what he needs and prioritize better. this besicaly makes the certs only relevant to newbies but after a few weeks they too will move on to evemon and forget about them.

I think removal of the the option to make them visible. It's not really a bragging thing, and if anything, could give a hostile information on your abilities. If people want to make that public, they can hand out API keys, or use eveboard.

i would like to have the ability to create custom certificates\certificate lists.
this could be used to allow other players "sign" them which would show if the signing character has or has not the skills needed for this certificate.

should be usable not only by corp\alliance , but by any private person\community to verify if respondents answer to certain criteria

I would like them to remain public, or atleast visible to corperation members, might be a bit more of a useful option. Its not jsut about bragging rites, its also a good internal intel tool and handy for recruiting low sp pilots into training corps.

Making certificates public isn't used much, don't want to tell your enemy how good you are right?
Viewable on permission sounds good.

A simple "Corp only" might be good too especially for trainee corporations. By default it should be off.

- remove public | yes
- drag and drop certificates | a fine idea
- comparing | good one
- for bragging | not needed, should be opt in but default hidden.

I'm still a bit of a rookie and I love the certificates, because they give me an idea of what skills I need to get info.
I do not, however, share all of them them publicly. Certificates can easily reveal PvP relevant information and allows hostile forces to take advantages of the 'gaps' in my combat training.

My list would look like this:

• Don't remove the ability to set Certificates as public, but make it opt-in.


• Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance – this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)


• Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own