EVE General Discussion

Nope, not a goon alt, and not applauding. Very small time and quite spacepoor. Each one of these ships is worth more than my whole little alliance of highsec carebears.

you're still giving one of the largest and richest for-profit player run organizations a huge injection of free isk and promotion, as well as endorsing them as 'legit'. by doing so, you put others, like me, at a competitive disadvantage. do my multiple subscriptions mean so little to you that you would insult me and others like me in such manner?

I doubt it...

Ok, you guys win. I guess if you can't beat 'em ... join 'em.

Fair is fair. We must level the playing field.

My organization is starting up a gambling/lottery site. As part of our grand opening we are hosting an EVE player event at Jack's Bar & Grill, down the road from my house.

Now I understand that CCP can't possibly send out several devs to each and every little player event like mine. That would be crazy. I do, however, have to protest CCP sending devs to the somer blink sponsored eve vegas event. The presence of CCP devs gives somer blink additional publicity and exposure that CCP is not providing for my event. This is giving somer blink an unfair advantage.

Also... something about sandboxes.

People with gambling addictions...?

Yes, I actually approve CCP participation in other ingame events. It's time everyone realizes that no matter what CCP does, it will never be fair for everyone.
Be it :
- a pvp event (what about the miners?) or
- a give-away for every account (I only have one account, why should people with more accounts have advantages?) or
- a race (I am a new character without max skills, why should I not have the same chance) or even
- the AT tournaments, which everyone approves (I cant afford plex for the bidding, this is favoritism towards rich alliances!)

Nothing CCP could ever do would be fair to absolutely everyone. They are using Somer as a platform to reach a large number of players. If I want to participate, I simply create an account. I really don't see the drama that is being projected by a majority of goons in this thread.

Your attempt at dismissing these complaints as just "goons" is pathetic. There are countless members from all areas of this game speaking out about this.

There is also an unimaginably huge difference between the examples you gave and what is currently happening. In none of your examples are CCP stepping in and giving an incredibly huge advantage to a single group of players. Everything on your list is a result of player choice, skill, and effort - except the give-aways, but as they are give aways to every single current player they are obviously not an advantage to any individual person or group

That is of course assuming somer doesn't ban you from the site. :)
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It's starting to look like CCP is just playing time and CSM doesn't seem to mind...

You understated this very well.

Oh, without a doubt. I was simply providing one example of people who support this. He asked for examples, after all. I also commend CCP in trying to support the community and encourage community turnout to live events. However, I absolutely disagree with the method they followed in their attempt. Any case of showing favoritism toward one group over others is abhorrent from a supposedly-neutral hosting provider (which is what CCP is as they host the game).



I'd rather they didn't pick corps to begin with. Why not just have CCP show up at an event, pick a random person from the crowd and give them a prize? Why not have CCP do their own lottery with them handling everything about it? Why not have CCP support EVE Vegas without giving trillions in revenue to one group of players?



I have absolutely no offense regarding Somer Blink making money through a business they created. I also make money through the service I host. What I take offense to is them being GIVEN free items to further make money. They did not make that money legitimately, it was handed to them on a silver platter by a "supposedly" neutral host. Believe me when I say I do not fault Somer Blink in the least in this situation. They were given a huge boon by CCP and they said "yes" seeing the profit in it. My concern is with CCP who offered that huge boon in the first place.



Yes. We agree that the success of the business is not founded entirely on taking advantage of addicts. However, I'd rather safely bet that a decent portion of their income is from gambling addicts. After all, this is the chief argument against opening new casinos (they're trying to locally, here in upstate NY) as it causes addiction and negatively affects the community. And yes, I do see the irony and hypocrisy in having that statement come from someone who is basically an enabler who provides the ability for people to create lotteries. I also, indirectly, take advantage of gambling addicts (assuming any participate in lotteries hosted by my clients). I am not above admitting it, though.



Congratulations. You're not an addict. Pat yourself on the back. I'm glad the system works for you. It doesn't address the fact that the primary concern remains that CCP is giving out free ships to one specific entity and is thus showing favoritism and not with Somer Blink saying "yes" to it.