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DEVSWARM OP: CCP Should Give Goonswarm Trillions Of Isk Worth of Crap

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#261 - 2013-09-27 12:27:11 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....

Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Roll

Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money.

I dunno ... thanks?

If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you.

Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#262 - 2013-09-27 12:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Kismeteer wrote:
Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.

I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.

You guys already *ARE* the new Band of Brothers.
Khanh'rhh wrote:
you can always rent a system.


You have become the thing you fought so hard against. I personally think ccp made the wrong decision to give Somer stuff to give away, but find myself unable to care.


o7

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Anton Menges Saddat
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2013-09-27 13:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Anton Menges Saddat
i am here to confirm that the deeds and exploits of the goons were a major factor that drew me into this game and kept me playing as a pubbie before i ended up in the CFC through a lucky twist of fate. going further and saying that my membership in the CFC has kept me playing this godawful game for much longer than i should have. quite simply, were it not for the people i fly with, i would have fully disengaged from this community a long time ago. OP has valid points, the goons have done more for this game and community than any lottery site ever has or will (and i say this as a blink player). if we are going to have these kinds of dev-spawn item giveaways, the goons would be the top candidate to receive them imo. if this reeks of unfair to you but you support the decision to give somer limited assets, i would invite you to reexamine your position.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#264 - 2013-09-27 13:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....

Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Roll

Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money.

I dunno ... thanks?

If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you.

Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted.

That... is a VERY VERY good point.
What IS the plural of Proteus?

EDIT: Oh, apparently its "Protei"

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Anton Menges Saddat
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#265 - 2013-09-27 13:10:58 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....

Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Roll

Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money.

I dunno ... thanks?

If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you.

Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted.

That... is a VERY VERY good point.
What IS the plural of Proteus?

proteii :)
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#266 - 2013-09-27 13:17:19 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....

Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Roll

Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money.

I dunno ... thanks?

If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you.

Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted.

That... is a VERY VERY good point.
What IS the plural of Proteus?

EDIT: Oh, apparently its "Protei"

"Many Proteuseseseses"Lol
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#267 - 2013-09-27 13:52:33 UTC
Anton Menges Saddat wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....

Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Roll

Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money.

I dunno ... thanks?

If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you.

Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted.

That... is a VERY VERY good point.
What IS the plural of Proteus?

proteii :)
Oh don't be one of those "virii" tools.

We all know it's proteuseseseseseses..........my precious.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#268 - 2013-09-27 13:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Kismeteer wrote:
Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.

I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.


Big smile You guys have been BoB in every way that matters for quite some time.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#269 - 2013-09-27 14:00:38 UTC
No john, you ARE the band of brothers
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#270 - 2013-09-27 14:07:19 UTC
Red Templar wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Red Templar wrote:


Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?

Much obliged.


Of course good sir,

CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread

"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?

A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged."

Hope that helps :)

Thank you, but that has nothing about investigation on the CCP part into inner workings of Sommer, as you imply.

That would be the same as saying in court that you investigated murder suspect. And you investigation is based on knowing him personally and he was such a good guy before, so clearly there is no way he could have done it.



So are you also supporting Lucas Kell case that Somerblink are involved in RMT'ing and that by CCP endorsing Somerblink they are in turn endorsing RMT'ing?

If so I would love to see some kind of evidence other then

"What proof is needed. I've heard on a number of occasions that this type of thing is happening. That's good enough for me.

I not when other people are accused of RMT no clear evidence is needed, hearsay is enough, so for me the same is true."

No, what i am trying to do, is to get you provide proof of your statements. As of now, you just put words into CCP's mouth. And now you are trying to do the same with me.

But so far you just ignore questions you cannot answer, and continue to twist arguments to prove your point.

If CCP indeed performed checks into the somer business and confirmed they are legit, nothing is rigged and no RMT involved whatsoever in any form, then that would be just awesome. Then we can fully trust somer and understand why CCP chose them for this role. But no such statements were made.

CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.

The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.

So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#271 - 2013-09-27 14:11:57 UTC
i love the CCP cheerleaders that come out of the woodwork to defend them significantly enriching individual players in a PvP-centered game

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#272 - 2013-09-27 14:13:05 UTC
Andski wrote:
i love the CCP cheerleaders that come out of the woodwork to defend them significantly enriching individual players in a PvP-centered game


Bootlickers gotta bootlick and trolls gotta troll
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#273 - 2013-09-27 14:14:15 UTC
Kuni Oichi wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


CCP is the business that you are defaming by claiming they are endorsing a practice which they denounce and will get you a life time ban and also in some countries can get you into serious trouble with the tax laws if you do not declare it as an income :)

(The practice is Real Money Transfer, better know as RMT, selling in game currency for real life money)


How do you feel about CCP endorsing gambling? Somer Blink's style of gambling would be extremely unlikely to be allowed in many countries around the world if it was for real money. Moreover they actively encourage people to spend real money on plex to support somer blink and to feed people's gambling addiction.

It's fundamentally irrelevant however. CCP could be giving these 'unique' ships to a 3 person mining corp and it would have the same problem. It's favouritism and endorsement of a player-run organisation in the game simply because someone at CCP likes them.

And, as this thread has amply demonstrated, if they're going to be showering any corporation in trillions of dollars of isk, the ethical choice is to give it all to goonswarm.

Gambling is a natural industry for the EVE universe, I really don't think anyone has an issue with this.

Yes, CCP could have avoided this by simply putting up these ships as prizes directly, but they wanted to assist/sponsor a widely used 3rd party service that is well known for sponsoring prizes for player events themselves.

The goal itself is laudable, that being to assist 3rd party organizations that enrich the EVE community via events and/or services. It gets complicated when that 3rd party service is also an entity in EVE that is working for profit and has competitors.

I "do" think CCP will need to rethink their approach in matters like this. I just hope they don't decide to stop sponsoring these beneficial services all together as a result.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#274 - 2013-09-27 14:15:44 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Kismeteer wrote:
Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.

I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.


Big smile You guys have been BoB in every way that matters for quite some time.

except the free sabre bpos, which is what i'm trying to fix here now that ccp's doing that again

if the dictors are really being rebalanced i will accept a complete set, they don't all have to be sabres

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#275 - 2013-09-27 14:16:21 UTC
i would say "and besides the getting wrecked by goonswarm" part but we actually did do that (thanks kartoon)

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#276 - 2013-09-27 14:18:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.

The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.

So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them.
It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so?
SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer.

Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#277 - 2013-09-27 14:23:14 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Kismeteer wrote:
Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.

I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.


Big smile You guys have been BoB in every way that matters for quite some time.

except the free sabre bpos, which is what i'm trying to fix here now that ccp's doing that again

if the dictors are really being rebalanced i will accept a complete set, they don't all have to be sabres

I was just giving you an elbow in the ribs. Smile

I think the goons have done a lot of good for the game, and still do. Case in point you are in reality trying to protect EVE and keep CCP from making a mistake, instead of seriously trying to find a way to manipulate it to your advantage.

My point is simply that the objective is a good one, but the method chosen to do so needs a rethink.

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#278 - 2013-09-27 14:25:14 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
This thread alone shows favoritism, I got banned for just saying "Devswarm" (prolly will again) and yet here is a thread opened by a goon. And it's at page #13!


I know, right? I posted a thread asking CCP for a monkey, which is in no way different from weaselior's request on behalf of Goonswarm or Somer Blink's free whatever, except the monkey would just be for me, but that thread was locked! Cry. I play this game too! I pay for my subscription, even! X
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#279 - 2013-09-27 14:26:16 UTC
Why should ccp give Goonswarm free stuff?

They already gave them something for free. It's called null sec. Twisted

Oh and "didn't want that Tribute anyway".
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#280 - 2013-09-27 14:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.

The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.

So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them.
It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so?
SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer.

Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact.

CCP is an old hand at investigating who actually owns what accounts and the flow of ISK between them, and that's really all they need do. Investigating people affiliated with SOMER would be far simpler than tracking down an anonymous group buried in NULL... and they do that successfully all the time.

If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be.

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