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Remove killmails. There, fixed.

1. Meh
2. either way, someone lost a ship. Bring more DPS if you want a juicy KM.
3. a single server (IIRC) can handle up to ten systems if they're "low volume" systems. Now, if you suddenly have a 10v10 fight in one system and a 50v50 in another on that server ... things get dicey.
4. it's DB stuff ... easier to use 1 ID for 2 items rather than 2 IDs for 2 nearly identical items -- a difference of only 2 columns. seriously, it doesn't matter (though I thought that was fixed with the new BPC colours)
5. meh.

Kill mails are completely irrelevant to PvP and EvE as a whole. I say just remove them. But we know that won't happen. Either way I am going to vote no on this since you came right out of the gate whining about CCP not fixing what YOU want them to which completely dismisses everything coming with the winter expansion despite you specifically mentioning what is coming in the winter expansion.

1) Yes, killmail denial due to session changes needs to be fixed.
2) No. Self-destruct is a legitimate tactic. Get over it.
3) Some yes, some no here. Limiting the number of people on a KM ensures some decent competition for getting on them. Sometimes, malformed killmails are simply the result of something not going right on the interpreter for 3rd party killmail parsers (killboards). However, modules not showing correctly or pilots being dropped from kills they legitimately should be on should be looked into.
4) Yes. Separating BPCs and BPOs in killmails makes them more interesting.
5) I'm ambivalent.


However, there are many more factors in the game that I'd rather have CCP focusing on than making killmails better at this current point.

I like this bullet point format, makes arguing multiple points possible without creating a wall of text :P Anyways, yeah:


2) I agree, killer should be denied a KM. But IMHO the loss should be visible, and the timer should be balanced around the length of an average fleet fight. As I said, I think this will become a bigger issue when titans/supercaps begin commiting suicide instead of using the 15 minute logoffski.

3) I don't think it's a limit on the number of people, last time it happened to me I was cut off the KM and there were only 6 people on there. Same with the time my T3 exploded without subs or mods, very few enemy ships on the KM. I even petitioned it alongside the guys that killed me, admitting that I had some very expensive stuff on there (T2 rigs etc.), CCP replied with copy pasta saying they can't generate KMs.

Also, I've never seen an issue with interpretation by a 3rd party, except rare cases that battleclinic have quickly rectified. Most of the time, you can see from reading the kill mail that it is incorrect.

4) Lol, I'm just tired of seeing lolwtf isk kills on BC. Not to mention the completely inaccurate corp/personal/alliance stats that come about as a result.

5) Meh, same, I'm glad I moved to low sec. However I still think if they don't fix neutral RR they should at least let it show up on KMs. High sec war is just a joke as it is.


1) I can say that you have no interest in it, hence your "meh" concerning killmails. They don't concern you, asteroids don't concern me. Going into a thread you don't care about and saying "meh" is simply pointless and not constructive.

*Meh, I take that back after reading on. You're being pretty constructive

2) Fights don't take two minutes. They take six, or ten, or more. For example we want to kill an orca in a belt, his friends warp in to help. Do we ignore his friends and focus DPS on him to kill him in less than two minutes, or do we call primaries sensibly and win without losses? To win without losses might take ten minutes or more.

3) Hmm, good point, I assumed nodes were done by region and expanded or contracted as needed. But yeah, that probably wouldn't distribute load very evenly. Still, during off peak hours KMs really shouldn't be messing up, they are important to us PvP guys. Unfortunately they do, and it grates.

4) Yes, creating a new item ID for all the existing BPCs/BPOs would probably be messy. But it could be done during a DT when a new patch comes out, and they could try it out on the test server to make sure it doesn't mess anything up first. That's why we have a test server.

The main thing is, these items are obviously going to be of different value. Why were they ever given identical IDs in the first place? I'm guessing there is a single item type, and a boolean value or something to decide if it's a BPC/BPO? Why not just have two items? Anyway, if it's just some value dictating what the item is, hopefully a script could quite easily create a new item to replace all the BPOs.

Then again you are correct, I don't really know exactly how difficult it would be, but it would be nice if CCP would explain to us why they can't do these things, and try and sound convincing :P As it is it's just a major flaw they seem to have ignored for a very long time.

5) Two guys fight, say, Rupture vs. Tengu. The rupture wins because he has four guardians helping, the KM shows that in a 1v1 a Rupture killed a Tengu. Rupture pilot looks like a god, and because he does this consistently his kill board makes him look like a ridiculously good pilot.


**Scratch that about creating walls of text. I always manage it. Always.

Aye, I've read that suggestion on here before and, I think, on the old forums. It seems like the best solution to the issues with RR.


I think the whole RR system needs a slight rework, RR from fleetmates only would probably prevent KM whoring. And also maybe put a dampener on the guys that randomly rep people outside Jita, before promptly undocking a vindicator if they get attacked.

In all honesty though, getting RR onto KMs would be difficult at best. RR should just never have become this much of a problem in the first place. Again, it's another issue that should have been addressed by now, it would have been nice if CCP at least came forward and gave a good reason as to why adopting an aggression timer is infeasible.

For RR how about everyone in fleet on grid is on the killmail. Put flags on the killmail for boosting/repping/pointing/ewar and just doing nothing. Atleast if everyone is on the killmail people might drop the 4x sebo's for tank.

this gets a + from me, the system needs to be revamped. When you have entire corps out there who are based around remote repping other corps who do wars and split the loot i belive its time for a change, if at least that the player who is at war with your RR target can now target you without concord intervention it would be nice.

I like the fact that we are getting teh ability to see implants, possibly clothing in the future. But i have had several of these issues mentioned come up, if someone jumps trough the gate it resets their damage counters bascially, and so you have to follow them trough and hit them again to get on killmails. So say a fleet is engaging a person in say a orca and he powers tyrough you to the otherside and barley jumps. Then you have a few guys on the otherside, whalla it looks like a bc took out a orca by himself.

RR it has always been a problem to me that they can disengage and warp away no problem, but think about it this way your a logi ship with no way of defending yourself. To that i belive they do need to be marked on teh killmails, otherwise it would look silly that a few af take out a large ship or can surive in lowsec at stations or gates.

I have yet to figure out what cuases the killmails to break, becuase you have killmails with hundreds on them and they are correct and you have killmails with 4 people on it and their fittings are wrong.

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Be happy to have killed someone, why you need a kilmail ?
Remove killmails. Problem solved, but this will never happen.
But imho this problem has a very low priority.