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Adiaforos Anousios
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-09-27 07:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Adiaforos Anousios
Hi guys i d like to ask some things about Gallente frigates... i usually fly Fed navy comet , incursus ,tristan and sometimes atron

My main question is : How to counter A scramble range TD ship like slasher or Firetail.. For example when i use blasters and hes out of range (scramble range) switch to Null is not a option cause i am gonna lose eve more tracking (+the TD)....if i am Rail fitted also what ?

Secondly if someone could tell me what frigate fights and even Destros i should avoid .

And the last one When should i use orbit or keep at range ( i mean Vs what guns ) For example vs autocannos do blasters have better tracking so i could orbit them ?

Thank you in advance just trying to become better..An article could help too ;P
Hormone1971
No Forms Gone
Kenshin Shogunate.
#2 - 2013-09-27 07:42:08 UTC
Use an ab and overheat. A web will also help heaps.
Adiaforos Anousios
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-27 08:33:58 UTC
Ty really appreciate it ;)

I just need sth more detailed to guide me through.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#4 - 2013-09-27 11:39:15 UTC
Rail comet should easy-mode a TD Firetail, heat away from them load Javelin and hope.

Should be fine.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-09-27 12:21:44 UTC
I don't ever use Javelin

But yea rail comet/incursus roll over just about all other frigates.

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Adiaforos Anousios
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-09-27 14:00:04 UTC
why heat away since i load javelin ? Ty btw i just need to learn more xD
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#7 - 2013-09-27 14:03:39 UTC
Adiaforos Anousios wrote:
why heat away since i load javelin ? Ty btw i just need to learn more xD

You'll be going away from them in a straight line, they will try to catch up and reestablish the orbit = perfect tracking.

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Adiaforos Anousios
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-09-27 14:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Adiaforos Anousios
<3 Zen


You need to gief me some private lessons i guess xD


P.s. What about blasters ?
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-09-27 14:58:43 UTC
Manual piloting is a good skill to get used to. Using the orbit and keep at range commands is extremely limiting. You can take advantage of his inertia to get him closer or further away.

For example, if you're blaster fit and you're being kited, you're going to be very close to the edge of scram range. Just burn away from him and get out of web range. He'll turn towards you to get back into range, at which point you overheat your afterburner and burn right at him. End result - you'll be on his face and melting him. Just make sure not to orbit him if he has a tracking disruptor. A silly mistake lots of people make is to orbit their target while they have low-tracking weapons or are TD'd, and break their own tracking.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-09-27 16:24:15 UTC
I don't know, i use orbit and keep range a fuckton ^^

Its more about knowing when to not use them rather than trying to avoid using them.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#11 - 2013-09-27 16:28:42 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I don't know, i use orbit and keep range a fuckton ^^

Its more about knowing when to not use them rather than trying to avoid using them.


I should clarify - It's not that you shouldn't ever use them, it's that you shouldn't only use them
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-27 16:32:20 UTC
Adiaforos Anousios wrote:
Hi guys i d like to ask some things about Gallente frigates... i usually fly Fed navy comet , incursus ,tristan and sometimes atron

My main question is : How to counter A scramble range TD ship like slasher or Firetail.. For example when i use blasters and hes out of range (scramble range) switch to Null is not a option cause i am gonna lose eve more tracking (+the TD)....if i am Rail fitted also what ?

Secondly if someone could tell me what frigate fights and even Destros i should avoid .

And the last one When should i use orbit or keep at range ( i mean Vs what guns ) For example vs autocannos do blasters have better tracking so i could orbit them ?

Thank you in advance just trying to become better..An article could help too ;P


Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#13 - 2013-09-27 17:24:37 UTC

Quote:
Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you.


Believe it or not, not all fights are won before they begin. Of the ships he listed, a Comet, Tristan and an Atron should absolutely destroy a kitey Slasher if piloted right, and an Incursus stands a decent chance. Firetail is a bit harder, but I'd still bet on a Comet over a scram-kite Firetail, and if it's an arty tail an Atron could very well win as well.
Cpt Smasher
Rafzakael Enterprises
#14 - 2013-09-27 20:18:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Smasher
Adiaforos Anousios wrote:
Hi guys i d like to ask some things about Gallente frigates... i usually fly Fed navy comet , incursus ,tristan and sometimes atron

My main question is : How to counter A scramble range TD ship like slasher or Firetail.. For example when i use blasters and hes out of range (scramble range) switch to Null is not a option cause i am gonna lose eve more tracking (+the TD)....if i am Rail fitted also what ?

Secondly if someone could tell me what frigate fights and even Destros i should avoid .

And the last one When should i use orbit or keep at range ( i mean Vs what guns ) For example vs autocannos do blasters have better tracking so i could orbit them ?

Thank you in advance just trying to become better..An article could help too ;P


A TD slasher will most likely be using optimal range disruption against a fed navy comet, and orbiting wide. This is what i do personally when i fly my slasher. IMO - Overheating and/or slingshots are your best bet, and use null! Slingshot



As far as orbiting, and keep at range.

Personally, i almost always orbit at just under my weapons optimal range. Usually my speed and orbit will end up just farther than my optimal, and i hit pretty well. My keep at range is usually set to 100km and used for bugging out if i get into something i cant handle. Not the best use for the button, but i like it.
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-28 19:00:02 UTC
I have increasingly moved away from small blasters, rails are where it is at.

Tristan is probably my go to frig, rails and drones mean a TD on the target ship is pretty much a wasted slot; Comets drone compliment is also rather useful.

Just remember the spare drones also, a couple spare ECM drones can get you away from a MWD TD or RSD kiter you cannot touch.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-09-29 01:54:16 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
I have increasingly moved away from small blasters, rails are where it is at.

Tristan is probably my go to frig, rails and drones mean a TD on the target ship is pretty much a wasted slot; Comets drone compliment is also rather useful.

Just remember the spare drones also, a couple spare ECM drones can get you away from a MWD TD or RSD kiter you cannot touch.


ECM drones? on a frigate?

Terrible, just terrible...

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#17 - 2013-09-29 12:00:07 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
ECM drones

Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-29 15:50:31 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Alticus C Bear wrote:
ECM drones

Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights.

People have very fixed and specific view points on what is fair and what is not the little book of ship honour.

I am generally solo, not sporting off grid links and in a flexible brawler with DPS projection style fit.

Did the lightly tanked E-war based fit frigate really stand a chance as I overwhelm them with DPS on the warp in with my brawler? Same goes for the reverse with the Mwd kiting frigate already at range, with dual TD or RSD, they have a distinct advantage.

I always use combat drones but am in a habit of warping in on condors and hook bills. My comets and Tristan's generally carried spare warriors but even they are pretty useless against fast frigs, fit dependant but lately, yes ECM drones (yes it's a broken game mechanic) are useful to break e-war effects which are increasingly common and I find that with a limited counter I am even more likely to risk warping in on the condors already set up in a plex.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2013-09-29 19:46:55 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Alticus C Bear wrote:
ECM drones

Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights.

People have very fixed and specific view points on what is fair and what is not the little book of ship honour.

I am generally solo, not sporting off grid links and in a flexible brawler with DPS projection style fit.

Did the lightly tanked E-war based fit frigate really stand a chance as I overwhelm them with DPS on the warp in with my brawler? Same goes for the reverse with the Mwd kiting frigate already at range, with dual TD or RSD, they have a distinct advantage.

I always use combat drones but am in a habit of warping in on condors and hook bills. My comets and Tristan's generally carried spare warriors but even they are pretty useless against fast frigs, fit dependant but lately, yes ECM drones (yes it's a broken game mechanic) are useful to break e-war effects which are increasingly common and I find that with a limited counter I am even more likely to risk warping in on the condors already set up in a plex.


I actually meant that its just plain bad..

I've beaten Comets before JUST because they were using ECM drones rather than proper drones.

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#20 - 2013-09-29 20:08:05 UTC
Sorry, was busy with 3 gorgeous ladies but my 'EC-300 on frigate' detector went off. I of course had to kick them out of my house just to say the following.













DO NOT DO THIS.











That is all.
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