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High-Sec POCOs: Bringing Null to High-Sec?
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-09-27 05:27:06 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.

So what are doughnuts without a hole called?



Cream filled?
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#42 - 2013-09-27 09:04:34 UTC
I have a POCO in my soup ...it cracked open and a heavy sentinel came marching out. He is dragging something by the hair ....omg its mittens !
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-09-27 09:14:47 UTC
Well if they raise the taxes you can just raise the price on goods..
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-09-27 09:44:07 UTC
Controling large swaths of POCO's in high sec will not be possible for null entities, simply because they won't have the manpower to defend. they simply won't have the manpower for that.

Yes, they have thousands of drones in their alliances, yes that's a lot of people.. a sizeable zerg.. now look at high sec in terms of zerging.. for every null player there's at least 20 high sec players, say half of those are total carebears who are afraid of anything larger than a shuttle attacking them, no matter what they're flying. for the rest, say, half of them are alts of null entities and are not going to do anything about those poco's because they've got blue standing, that means they're still outnumbered 5 to 1.

And bringing the full might of their zerg into highsec is not really an option, as this will leave their null empire too undefended.
In high sec, there are tons of griefer/wardeccing corps that never go to low or null, because it's 'scary' but who are quite adapt at high sec station games and small gang warfare. 2 things that are very usefull there, and which the large null coalitions tend to have a problem dealing with.

In the long term, it will simply not be profitable/doable for them to project their force into high sec properly without sacrificing their power in their homes in null.

Sure, there will be 'interdictions' and 'purges' every now and then, when they send a fleet of 200-1000 people into high and rf/explode a ton of POCO's, will this really make an impact? not that much.

The only 'real' power they will be able to project are their own high sec griefer/wardec corps that operate mainly in high sec and who are also specialised at this kind of warfare. But aside from them having access to a larger funding pool through their connection to null entities, they're on the same playing field as everybody else in highsec.

Will these POCO's become very lucrative, yes, most definitely, will there be wars over them oh yes, glorious wars, will null entities simply come in and take over? Highly doubtfull.

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Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#45 - 2013-09-27 09:50:39 UTC
Xearal wrote:
Controling large swaths of POCO's in high sec will not be possible for null entities, simply because they won't have the manpower to defend. they simply won't have the manpower for that.

Yes, they have thousands of drones in their alliances, yes that's a lot of people.. a sizeable zerg.. now look at high sec in terms of zerging.. for every null player there's at least 20 high sec players, say half of those are total carebears who are afraid of anything larger than a shuttle attacking them, no matter what they're flying. for the rest, say, half of them are alts of null entities and are not going to do anything about those poco's because they've got blue standing, that means they're still outnumbered 5 to 1.

And bringing the full might of their zerg into highsec is not really an option, as this will leave their null empire too undefended.
In high sec, there are tons of griefer/wardeccing corps that never go to low or null, because it's 'scary' but who are quite adapt at high sec station games and small gang warfare. 2 things that are very usefull there, and which the large null coalitions tend to have a problem dealing with.

In the long term, it will simply not be profitable/doable for them to project their force into high sec properly without sacrificing their power in their homes in null.

Sure, there will be 'interdictions' and 'purges' every now and then, when they send a fleet of 200-1000 people into high and rf/explode a ton of POCO's, will this really make an impact? not that much.

The only 'real' power they will be able to project are their own high sec griefer/wardec corps that operate mainly in high sec and who are also specialised at this kind of warfare. But aside from them having access to a larger funding pool through their connection to null entities, they're on the same playing field as everybody else in highsec.

Will these POCO's become very lucrative, yes, most definitely, will there be wars over them oh yes, glorious wars, will null entities simply come in and take over? Highly doubtfull.


The real question will be do they have their feet firmly on the ground ...you only need 16 guns.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#46 - 2013-09-27 09:54:28 UTC
Xearal wrote:
Sure, there will be 'interdictions' and 'purges' every now and then, when they send a fleet of 200-1000 people into high and rf/explode a ton of POCO's, will this really make an impact? not that much.

Yea, sounds great, I bet those mentioned "high-sec ganker" corps will have their fun with it... but small time PI industrialists like me will simply stop using the POCOs all together, since they are just a minor convenience anyhow...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#47 - 2013-09-27 10:35:53 UTC
I find the idea that nullsec cartels could hold all the customs-offices in high sec frankly laughable. Although it does mean that smaller entities will have to pay a fortune to war dec them.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Irya Boone
The Scope
#48 - 2013-09-27 11:22:57 UTC
Xearal wrote:
Controling large swaths of POCO's in high sec will not be possible for null entities, simply because they won't have the manpower to defend. they simply won't have the manpower for that.

Yes, they have thousands of drones in their alliances, yes that's a lot of people.. a sizeable zerg.. now look at high sec in terms of zerging.. for every null player there's at least 20 high sec players, say half of those are total carebears who are afraid of anything larger than a shuttle attacking them, no matter what they're flying. for the rest, say, half of them are alts of null entities and are not going to do anything about those poco's because they've got blue standing, that means they're still outnumbered 5 to 1.

And bringing the full might of their zerg into highsec is not really an option, as this will leave their null empire too undefended.
In high sec, there are tons of griefer/wardeccing corps that never go to low or null, because it's 'scary' but who are quite adapt at high sec station games and small gang warfare. 2 things that are very usefull there, and which the large null coalitions tend to have a problem dealing with.

In the long term, it will simply not be profitable/doable for them to project their force into high sec properly without sacrificing their power in their homes in null.

Sure, there will be 'interdictions' and 'purges' every now and then, when they send a fleet of 200-1000 people into high and rf/explode a ton of POCO's, will this really make an impact? not that much.

The only 'real' power they will be able to project are their own high sec griefer/wardec corps that operate mainly in high sec and who are also specialised at this kind of warfare. But aside from them having access to a larger funding pool through their connection to null entities, they're on the same playing field as everybody else in highsec.

Will these POCO's become very lucrative, yes, most definitely, will there be wars over them oh yes, glorious wars, will null entities simply come in and take over? Highly doubtfull.


you do realize that Half the high sec dwellers are indeed Nullbear alts right?
So yes they have the manpower.
And don't forget some low sec pirates alliances/corp too

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-09-27 11:26:57 UTC
checked 2 pages and found no one person who actually LISTENED to CCP about high-sec POCOs..... Lol

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Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#50 - 2013-09-27 11:29:43 UTC
This is another great way to troll and greif highse carebears! +1
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#51 - 2013-09-27 11:44:54 UTC
Optimo Sebiestor wrote:
This is another great way to troll and greif highse carebears! +1

Don't worry hon, sooner or later you'll have the game aaall for yourself, since all those "carebears" will have left... Roll

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-09-27 11:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Speedkermit Damo
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Null sec cartels have an insatiable desire to control the entire Eve economy, so they decided to attack high sec industry through another creative angle. ( Frankly, I did not see the attack coming through PI, but the shoe on T2 industry in high sec might still drop before Nov 19th).

The cartels have decided that CCP can indeed get by without the casual gamer subscriptions, and we are seeing the result.

The cartels wiped out high sec ice mining.
The cartels crushed high sec ore mining profitability.
And by December anyone who makes P4 materials in high sec will be paying a tax to the cartels, which means we ALL are paying another tax to the cartels (to go along with the tax on all T2 products).

Like I said in previous posts, this is a multi-stage end game move on high sec industry, with the coup de grace being the summer release. I am sure the current CSM will be quite proud of themselves when their term ends, and high sec will finally be a smoking ruins, incapable of supporting any kind of decent income.


However, on the flip side. High-seccers will be able to go to Null-sec and pinch some of the Cartel's moo-goo riches with this newfangled siphon thingy.

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Randey Miromme
My Wormhole Hurts
#53 - 2013-09-27 12:49:32 UTC
The resources on the high-sec planets will still suck compared to low sec/null/wh. I believe the taxes will double. What I don't understand is how will a high sec poco be protected? Will you be able to shoot at players engaging your poco?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#54 - 2013-09-27 12:58:42 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Xearal wrote:
Sure, there will be 'interdictions' and 'purges' every now and then, when they send a fleet of 200-1000 people into high and rf/explode a ton of POCO's, will this really make an impact? not that much.

Yea, sounds great, I bet those mentioned "high-sec ganker" corps will have their fun with it... but small time PI industrialists like me will simply stop using the POCOs all together, since they are just a minor convenience anyhow...


Well, apparently there's where EVE development is aimed. Give everything to the "have" and f*ck the sh*t out of the "have not".

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#55 - 2013-09-27 12:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Randey Miromme wrote:
The resources on the high-sec planets will still suck compared to low sec/null/wh. I believe the taxes will double. What I don't understand is how will a high sec poco be protected? Will you be able to shoot at players engaging your poco?

That's everybodies guess now, isn't it? I mean, I am really looking forward to hear the lore reason why CONCORD isn't protecting their POCOs... let alone not reacting when players engage in all out warfare in high-sec.

...I mean, what's next then? Destroying NPC stations to put your own POSes there? Roll

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#56 - 2013-09-27 13:07:25 UTC
This will be fun.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#57 - 2013-09-27 13:14:27 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Randey Miromme wrote:
The resources on the high-sec planets will still suck compared to low sec/null/wh. I believe the taxes will double. What I don't understand is how will a high sec poco be protected? Will you be able to shoot at players engaging your poco?

That's everybodies guess now, isn't it? I mean, I am really looking forward to hear the lore reason why CONCORD isn't protecting their POCOs... let alone not reacting when players engage in all out warfare in high-sec.

...I mean, what's next then? Destroying NPC stations to put your own POSes there? Roll


Because they're likely not going to remain CONCORD COs. They'll be placed in the care of a publicly attackable NPC corp.

As for defending them, since they're in highsec, I'm forced to assume that anyone shooting at your POCO will also have declared war on you so that they can shoot at your corporate assets; in which case they will be a legal target to engage at will. Anyone who randomly shoots a POCO in highsec will suffer the same fate of all people who randomly engage illegal entities: CONCORD.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#58 - 2013-09-27 13:44:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Domanique Altares wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Randey Miromme wrote:
The resources on the high-sec planets will still suck compared to low sec/null/wh. I believe the taxes will double. What I don't understand is how will a high sec poco be protected? Will you be able to shoot at players engaging your poco?

That's everybodies guess now, isn't it? I mean, I am really looking forward to hear the lore reason why CONCORD isn't protecting their POCOs... let alone not reacting when players engage in all out warfare in high-sec.

...I mean, what's next then? Destroying NPC stations to put your own POSes there? Roll


Because they're likely not going to remain CONCORD COs. They'll be placed in the care of a publicly attackable NPC corp.

As for defending them, since they're in highsec, I'm forced to assume that anyone shooting at your POCO will also have declared war on you so that they can shoot at your corporate assets; in which case they will be a legal target to engage at will. Anyone who randomly shoots a POCO in highsec will suffer the same fate of all people who randomly engage illegal entities: CONCORD.

Or they could go the same route as the new personal deploy-able structures and simply give you a suspect timer, meaning anyone passing by can shoot you while you assault the POCO.

If you DO have to declare war to shoot a high sec POCO that means there is an initial cost involved which will deter many from casually shooting them, and put a crimp in any attempts at large scale monopolies.

Of course, things have been much easier in Low sec for quite some time... not to mention more lucrative... and there have been no mass take overs of the POCO system.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2013-09-27 13:53:28 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


The cartels wiped out high sec ice mining.

And by December anyone who makes P4 materials in high sec will be paying a tax to the cartels, which means we ALL are paying another tax to the cartels (to go along with the tax on all T2 products).



Since the Ice Changes, my income is 5 Bill/month from Fuel Blocks. You have no idea what you are talking about.

There is always Low Sec for PI if you want to avoid your Tinfoil Cartels. It's really not that hard to do.


Sometimes I think people just make this stuff up. And they indeed do.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#60 - 2013-09-27 13:55:28 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Well if they raise the taxes you can just raise the price on goods..



They do indeed forget about this do they not ?

"Herr Derrr derp...what's the MArket and Watz a Cell Order?"

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882