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Mag's
Azn Empire
#141 - 2013-08-08 21:19:25 UTC
Galdor wrote:
It is unfortunate how everyone ignored the fact that CCP Eterne quote about this forum section being intended to be used to encourage debate on topics.
We were debating it, but you chose to stick your fingers in your ears and shout lalalalalala. What is the point in debating with someone, who refuses to listen or understand what a sandbox is, or what the word action means.

Galdor wrote:
@mynnna:

I would not expect a person who cannot use proper capitalization of a name to understand the definition of the word 'action.'
You mean the action of typing in a chat room or on the forum? Which can have the consequence of receiving a bounty? That action? Oh I think mynnna knows exactly what it means, unlike yourself.

Galdor wrote:
Condescension and immaturely mocking remarks have no place in any kind of credible debate.
Irony.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Galdor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-08-09 14:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Galdor
Apparently these forums are officially useless and the "Assembly Hall" is a joke. It is also apparent that with the new bounty system changes, anyone who has an honest opinion is only a target here for egomaniacal children with god complexes.

Which is unfortunate for EVE and the writers who took the time to develop the novels and game environment that has nothing to do with the anarchistic mentality that those here on the forums are intent on trying to establish in-game.

What this means for me is that I am washing my hands of this farce of an assembly hall forum that clearly has no intentions of an intelligent debate unless it suits the hate-mongering bigots that infect this game. This does not mean however that I will give up playing EVE after 10 years of investing time in it, despite the bullying tactics of my current bounty.

On a final note, the bounty system name should be changed to something more fitting. Because a bounty infers justice and hunting down a person based on an opinion that did no harm to anyone or anything, is anything but justified. Instead, the bounty system would be better off being called a 'hit list.'
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#143 - 2013-08-09 15:06:14 UTC
Galdor wrote:
Apparently these forums are officially useless and the "Assembly Hall" is a joke. It is also apparent that with the new bounty system changes, anyone who has an honest opinion is only a target here for egomaniacal children with god complexes.

Which is unfortunate for EVE and the writers who took the time to develop the novels and game environment that has nothing to do with the anarchistic mentality that those here on the forums are intent on trying to establish in-game.

What this means for me is that I am washing my hands of this farce of an assembly hall forum that clearly has no intentions of an intelligent debate unless it suits the hate-mongering bigots that infect this game. This does not mean however that I will give up playing EVE after 10 years of investing time in it, despite the bullying tactics of my current bounty.

On a final note, the bounty system name should be changed to something more fitting. Because a bounty infers justice and hunting down a person based on an opinion that did no harm to anyone or anything, is anything but justified. Instead, the bounty system would be better off being called a 'hit list.'

Underlined and bolded the error.

A bounty represents an interest in the capture or execution of a target.

Frequently associated with forces recognized as governments, or individuals wielding comparable power and control, bounties are more like formal shopping lists.
During wars, it is common practice for high value targets on all sides to have prices on their heads.
Changing the name of a bounty is semantics, the meaning stays the same.
And as poets say, a rose by any other name...

That's why police and bounty hunters are not considered the same thing. Police only cooperate with them when an issue of mutual benefit is present, such as law enforcement.
A bounty hunter who works outside the law is called a hit man. They use the same logic, get the target.
They simply don't have the same tools available.

A bounty hunter is a mercenary, with a specific target in mind. Nothing more.

And whether you call someone a war-hero, or a war criminal, really depends more on your point of view than any action they committed.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#144 - 2013-08-17 01:20:37 UTC
Bounties on anyone is more realistic. In real life if a druglord/criminal mastermind doesn't like someone, they can put a 1 bounty on a person, same should be true in EVE.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#145 - 2013-08-17 07:45:31 UTC
Galdor wrote:
Because a bounty infers justice and hunting down a person based on an opinion that did no harm to anyone or anything, is anything but justified. Instead, the bounty system would be better off being called a 'hit list.'


(1) From context, I think you mean "implies" not 'infers'. Infer is to listen as imply is to speak.

(2) And you're provably incorrect. Although there have been occasions of law enforcement organsiations using bounties (eg: 19th century mid western America), there have also been many, many more occasions of governments, criminals or ordinary private individuals using bountes for their own more or less unjust purposes. (eg: Judas and the 30 pieces of silver).

But you've been told this about 50 times already and refuse to listen, so hey.

Anyway bounties aren't changing to any kind of "Only people that Galdor thinks are bad can have bounties put on them" system, so feel free to shout at the stars some more.


The infinitely distant, infinitely uncaring stars.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#146 - 2013-08-17 10:27:12 UTC
Working as intended. Although it would be nice for the person who placed the bounty to have the option of removing it. Might make for some interesting social interactions between bounty'er and bountee....

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Kyon Rheyne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2013-08-17 16:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyon Rheyne
We are bickering for nothing. There is nothing wrong with placing bountys on whoever you want. What is needed is a tool to easly filter such bogus bountys out, leaving only most significant ones. Like additional filter for overview, which will show (or lighten up) only those with bountys greater than 10/50/300kk, and an ability to search for players with bountys equal or greater to specific amount.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-08-17 22:05:28 UTC
Kyon Rheyne wrote:
We are bickering for nothing. There is nothing wrong with placing bountys on whoever you want. What is needed is a tool to easly filter such bogus bountys out, leaving only most significant ones. Like additional filter for overview, which will show (or lighten up) only those with bountys greater than 10/50/300kk, and an ability to search for players with bountys equal or greater to specific amount.


Now this idea I like, more tools to use with bounties, not conditions to limit them

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#149 - 2013-08-18 13:44:40 UTC
Kyon Rheyne wrote:
We are bickering for nothing. There is nothing wrong with placing bountys on whoever you want. What is needed is a tool to easly filter such bogus bountys out, leaving only most significant ones. Like additional filter for overview, which will show (or lighten up) only those with bountys greater than 10/50/300kk, and an ability to search for players with bountys equal or greater to specific amount.


Now this is a sensible idea.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Cobra Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2013-08-19 12:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cobra Gaterau
Malcanis wrote:
Kyon Rheyne wrote:
We are bickering for nothing. There is nothing wrong with placing bountys on whoever you want. What is needed is a tool to easly filter such bogus bountys out, leaving only most significant ones. Like additional filter for overview, which will show (or lighten up) only those with bountys greater than 10/50/300kk, and an ability to search for players with bountys equal or greater to specific amount.


Now this is a sensible idea.


Make so bounties have a time limit. Say bounty last 30 days and if not claimed the ISK is lost to the system. Simple as. Or to even add to that, the player that survives the bounty for 30 days gets a percentage of the bounty that was placed on him/her ,and the rest is lost to the system. Would make it interesting !
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#151 - 2013-08-19 14:10:27 UTC
I've never been a fan of a time limit for bounties... mostly because it's currently so easy to avoid and stall for time by just sitting in station or going inactive until it expires.

How did you Veterans start?
Praxxus Dentor
Morning Star Industries
#152 - 2013-09-27 03:40:31 UTC
My only issue with the bounty system is the way the payout occurs. Unless you are in a ship of sufficient value, the full payout doesn't occur and the bounty stays with you. Ex. player puts 25M bounty on you. Maybe for no reason. You go out of the station get podded. No big deal, podded once, you lose clone and viola, go on with your life. Not no mo.

Now the system is merely just another way to grief while AFK because you don't even have to make an agressive move on someone to earn a bounty. Maybe you need that character making isk in an NPC corp in empire so you can support your pvp?

The current system really is just a way to get around war dex and characters in noob corps. Obviously this is something pvp'rs must have cried about to get changed. Boo hoo, i can't act my anger issues out on X, because they are in noob corp.

Bottom line, you get podded once, bounty should be paid out. You shouldn't have to lose 25M isk or more worth of crap because someone cries you cornered their market in Jita. And you shouldn't have to be podded 6-12 times before you lose that bounty. Did Billy the Kid get killed 12 times before the bounty got paid out?

Just stupid. All this does is force people to use more alts, which isn't a big deal when you have 3 accounts. Whatever. The pvp'rs cry more in this game than the high sec carebears, ffs. I fully expect to see this get whacked with a nerfbat at some point because it's asinine.

Happy flying. ;)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#153 - 2013-09-27 04:02:45 UTC
Praxxus Dentor wrote:
My only issue with the bounty system is the way the payout occurs. Unless you are in a ship of sufficient value, the full payout doesn't occur and the bounty stays with you. Ex. player puts 25M bounty on you. Maybe for no reason. You go out of the station get podded. No big deal, podded once, you lose clone and viola, go on with your life. Not no mo.

Now the system is merely just another way to grief while AFK because you don't even have to make an agressive move on someone to earn a bounty. Maybe you need that character making isk in an NPC corp in empire so you can support your pvp?

The current system really is just a way to get around war dex and characters in noob corps. Obviously this is something pvp'rs must have cried about to get changed. Boo hoo, i can't act my anger issues out on X, because they are in noob corp.

Bottom line, you get podded once, bounty should be paid out. You shouldn't have to lose 25M isk or more worth of crap because someone cries you cornered their market in Jita. And you shouldn't have to be podded 6-12 times before you lose that bounty. Did Billy the Kid get killed 12 times before the bounty got paid out?

Just stupid. All this does is force people to use more alts, which isn't a big deal when you have 3 accounts. Whatever. The pvp'rs cry more in this game than the high sec carebears, ffs. I fully expect to see this get whacked with a nerfbat at some point because it's asinine.

Happy flying. ;)


Ignoring the obvious butthurt in this post...

Such a system would be invariably used for RMT and/or exploits. Which, in fact, is precisely why the current system exists as it does. Suppose, for example, that you really hate me, and put a 1 billion isk bounty on my head with your system. Do you know what I am going to do? I am going to pod myself with my own alt, give myself the money, then send you a mail with my own killmail, thanking you for the isk.

That, and player freedom is more important than hurt feelings.

Don't like what I have to say on the forums? Put a bounty on my head. I care not.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#154 - 2013-09-27 04:12:01 UTC
Oh, yeah, and since I'm at work I will have to add a bounty to you later. I hesitated at first when I saw you were in an NPC corp, because you might have been a posting alt, but it said your employment history for that corp was "6 years..."

So now I have no problem giving you a hefty bounty once I get back home from work.

The major issue I have with it, is that I can't give you a bounty straight through the forum system. That's what we all need to be talking about, a bounty button needs to be added to the forums. I'd happily even pay a tax on the bounty amount to be able to do so.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Praxxus Dentor
Morning Star Industries
#155 - 2013-09-27 04:12:59 UTC
Oh so in other words, you are one of the butthurt pvprs and are cool with the system because you can exploit it in your favor.

You point out a potential exploit, yet you refuse to see the exploit on the opposite side of the fence? Yeah, that makes sense.

No sweat. The way around this is to start putting bounties on every noob in the game. Before too long they'll be meaningless or the noobies will cry because they can never get ahead on isk.

Sounds fun, doesn't it?
Praxxus Dentor
Morning Star Industries
#156 - 2013-09-27 04:16:16 UTC
Hey, no problem jack. I can give you one as well. I haven't played for 6 years, but the isk is piling up and itching to get dumped on someone. Might as well be an upstanding EVE citizen like yourself.

I hope you can compete with the bounties a T2 BPO lets you put on someone. Have a nice day.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#157 - 2013-09-27 04:24:52 UTC
Praxxus Dentor wrote:
Oh so in other words, you are one of the butthurt pvprs and are cool with the system because you can exploit it in your favor.

You point out a potential exploit, yet you refuse to see the exploit on the opposite side of the fence? Yeah, that makes sense.

No sweat. The way around this is to start putting bounties on every noob in the game. Before too long they'll be meaningless or the noobies will cry because they can never get ahead on isk.

Sounds fun, doesn't it?


So, you even admit that your way would be open to massive exploits, but you would still prefer it... why? I mean, what is the exploit with the current system, aside from people getting upset over having the "wanted" sticker on their poster? Really, tell me, how is the current system exploited? It was intended to let anyone put a bounty on anyone else, for any reason, so what's the exploit?

Quote:
Hey, no problem jack. I can give you one as well. I haven't played for 6 years, but the isk is piling up and itching to get dumped on someone. Might as well be an upstanding EVE citizen like yourself.

I hope you can compete with the bounties a T2 BPO lets you put on someone. Have a nice day.


Please do so. I pride myself on my nefariousness. A higher bounty is just more fear I can engender in others. Make it a billion, if you have the money, that'd get me some damn good stature with my buddies.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Praxxus Dentor
Morning Star Industries
#158 - 2013-09-27 04:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxxus Dentor
Just gave you 30M isk bounty to start. If you cry enough I won't put more on you. Otherwise I hope you got a LOT of alts.

Ill let you figure out if the current system feels like an exploit.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#159 - 2013-09-27 04:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Praxxus Dentor wrote:
Just gave you 30M isk bounty to start. If you cry enough I won't put more on you. Otherwise I hope you got a LOT of alts.

Ill let you figure out if the current system feels like an exploit.


More, please. I have like ten alts, for starters, and that doesn't even equal my highest bounty. I mean, is 30 million all that a "T2 BPO" can muster? I assure you, however, that you could empty your wallet and I would not "cry". Cool

The current system to me, feels realistic in the context that we are all functionally demigods. I mean, yeah, in real life you get the full bounty if you bring back enough of the head (which, for some history, is where the concept of the "double tap" came from), but then again we aren't guaranteed to be reborn a few minutes later in real life either.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Praxxus Dentor
Morning Star Industries
#160 - 2013-09-27 12:51:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


More, please. I have like ten alts, for starters, and that doesn't even equal my highest bounty. I mean, is 30 million all that a "T2 BPO" can muster? I assure you, however, that you could empty your wallet and I would not "cry". Cool

The current system to me, feels realistic in the context that we are all functionally demigods. I mean, yeah, in real life you get the full bounty if you bring back enough of the head (which, for some history, is where the concept of the "double tap" came from), but then again we aren't guaranteed to be reborn a few minutes later in real life either.



Since you cried so much I made the bounty ten times my first offer. Does that work for you? We can do more if needed. Why don't you list all your alts and let the public see how much sack you really have? I'd be happy to drop that much on each of them.