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High-Sec POCOs: Bringing Null to High-Sec?
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stoicfaux
#1 - 2013-09-27 00:38:22 UTC
So... with high-sec POCOs, has CCP given up on trying to get high-sec into null and has instead decided to bring null to high-sec?

Is there enough popcorn in EVE to watch the large corps/alliances fight to dominate a potentially insanely lucrative high-sec resource?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-09-27 00:39:34 UTC
Hisec PI is lucrative?
stoicfaux
#3 - 2013-09-27 00:49:13 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Hisec PI is lucrative?

Is 0% POCO tax in "safe" high-sec with short(er) distances to market competitive with low and null PI?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-09-27 00:54:58 UTC
I foresee that temperate and barren planets around Jita will become Extremely Lucrative POCO spots, as these will most likely be the places where a LOT of P4 manufacturing and such takes place.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Lilliana Stelles
#5 - 2013-09-27 01:00:04 UTC
Obviously we just need a beneficial conglomerate to set all the pocos at 0%.

Pff, who am I kidding.

Death and taxes.

Not a forum alt. 
stoicfaux
#6 - 2013-09-27 01:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Obviously we just need a beneficial conglomerate to set all the pocos at 0%.

Pff, who am I kidding.

Death and taxes.

James 315 sells permits for owning a high-sec POCO? Apply now and beat the rush!

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#7 - 2013-09-27 01:07:14 UTC
Shooting structures

great

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Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2013-09-27 01:08:11 UTC
Someone in Help Chat saying they read that npc tax rates on high sec Customs Offices going to double. Has CCP released anything of the kind? And yes, I know about the basic change to allowing POCOs in high sec, but no specfiics.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Korrimal Ohmiras
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-27 01:09:05 UTC
Is an absolutely stupid move on the part of CCP. You want to encourage people to get into the game and instead you offer a perk to the largest corporations capable of taking out and defending a customs office. Small 1-2 person corps with a half dozen alt characters that do nothing but industry / mining / pi are going to get screwed. Anyone that manages to set-up a custom office isn't going to care about "offering the best rates" in terms trying to encourage traffic - they are going to pick the highest traffic areas of high-sec and then double the price.

Supply / Demand - prices will get set based on their proximity to a major trading hub and how rare they are in the local area. No one is going to set a high-sec customs office at a reasonable rate.

If they want to play around with the idea then they should restrict it to 0.5/0.6 systems first and see what the effect is before rolling it out across the board.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#10 - 2013-09-27 01:10:30 UTC
Korrimal Ohmiras wrote:
Is an absolutely stupid move on the part of CCP. You want to encourage people to get into the game and instead you offer a perk to the largest corporations capable of taking out and defending a customs office. Small 1-2 person corps with a half dozen alt characters that do nothing but industry / mining / pi are going to get screwed. Anyone that manages to set-up a custom office isn't going to care about "offering the best rates" in terms trying to encourage traffic - they are going to pick the highest traffic areas of high-sec and then double the price.

Supply / Demand - prices will get set based on their proximity to a major trading hub and how rare they are in the local area. No one is going to set a high-sec customs office at a reasonable rate.

If they want to play around with the idea then they should restrict it to 0.5/0.6 systems first and see what the effect is before rolling it out across the board.

They should start near the hubs, where people actually would use them

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stoicfaux
#11 - 2013-09-27 01:12:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shooting structures

great

Have you tried awoxing structures for tears and profit?

/duh You're a goon, of course you have.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-09-27 01:14:25 UTC
Korrimal Ohmiras wrote:
Small 1-2 person corps with a half dozen alt characters that do nothing but industry / mining / pi are going to get screwed.


That's precisely the intent.

"You fools, the chemotherapy will eliminate the cancer!"

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-27 01:26:08 UTC
Xearal wrote:
I foresee that temperate and barren planets around Jita will become Extremely Lucrative POCO spots, as these will most likely be the places where a LOT of P4 manufacturing and such takes place.


I have a feeling RvB is going to own all the POCO around jita. Seeing how they already clear PoS around jita.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-09-27 01:27:54 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
So... with high-sec POCOs, has CCP given up on trying to get high-sec into null and has instead decided to bring null to high-sec?

Is there enough popcorn in EVE to watch the large corps/alliances fight to dominate a potentially insanely lucrative high-sec resource?

Inquiring minds want to know.



It will be funny as hell watching legions and legions of "solo" high sec players again fail to organize enough to swat the much less populous null sec groups who will soon dominate high sec PI.

It's like a replay of...every single CSM election ever.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#15 - 2013-09-27 01:31:54 UTC
They need another factor involved to make it uninteresting for mega-corps to hold the poco's beyond the systems they have an active day to day presence in them.

Give the Poco's a fueling requirement. It could be a very inexepnsive fuel like strontium...

.. .but make the fuel bay only hold 15 days of fuel and the M3 of the 15 days 5000 m3 .

That way, it would be a combination of might and maintenance to get the income stream.


The effort of dropping the inexepensive but bulky fuel in the pocos wouldn't be much a logistical time waster for people arlready visiting the houses regularly.. but it would be a big time eater for those looking for purely passive income.

Not either or, but both. There is something to be said for giving corps a reason to declare war on each other... even more to be said if the interested parties are smaller regional corps....
..

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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#16 - 2013-09-27 01:55:18 UTC
Regardless how the meta game will change as a result of high sec pocos. More spaceships will explode as a result of the change. This is a good thing for EVE.

For the small time indy player, this is a benefit as there will always be a poco owner that will offer an attractive tax rate.
Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#17 - 2013-09-27 02:01:04 UTC
Korrimal Ohmiras wrote:
Is an absolutely stupid move on the part of CCP. You want to encourage people to get into the game and instead you offer a perk to the largest corporations capable of taking out and defending a customs office. Small 1-2 person corps with a half dozen alt characters that do nothing but industry / mining / pi are going to get screwed. Anyone that manages to set-up a custom office isn't going to care about "offering the best rates" in terms trying to encourage traffic - they are going to pick the highest traffic areas of high-sec and then double the price.

Supply / Demand - prices will get set based on their proximity to a major trading hub and how rare they are in the local area. No one is going to set a high-sec customs office at a reasonable rate.

If they want to play around with the idea then they should restrict it to 0.5/0.6 systems first and see what the effect is before rolling it out across the board.



Thats the thing, though. Without these large OP corperations this would really be an improvement on the game
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2013-09-27 02:03:25 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
They need another factor involved to make it uninteresting for mega-corps to hold the poco's beyond the systems they have an active day to day presence in them.

Give the Poco's a fueling requirement. It could be a very inexepnsive fuel like strontium...

.. .but make the fuel bay only hold 15 days of fuel and the M3 of the 15 days 5000 m3 .

That way, it would be a combination of might and maintenance to get the income stream.


The effort of dropping the inexepensive but bulky fuel in the pocos wouldn't be much a logistical time waster for people arlready visiting the houses regularly.. but it would be a big time eater for those looking for purely passive income.

Not either or, but both. There is something to be said for giving corps a reason to declare war on each other... even more to be said if the interested parties are smaller regional corps....
..

Yeah, that'll punish alliance-level logstics people !!

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#19 - 2013-09-27 02:20:08 UTC
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.
stoicfaux
#20 - 2013-09-27 02:23:32 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.

So what are doughnuts without a hole called?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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