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Pls give us back TorpNaga
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#21 - 2011-11-15 18:42:15 UTC
Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-11-15 19:13:03 UTC
Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-11-15 19:31:49 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!


THIS :)

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-11-15 19:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
Raven Ether wrote:
Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all.


A few as in 4, or a few as in 8?



haha wait you really could fit 8 assault launchers on there before? wow I never tried that on SISI that could have been fun.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-11-15 19:41:18 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Raven Ether wrote:
Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all.


A few as in 4, or a few as in 8?





i think as few as 8 will be just about right :D

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-15 19:42:33 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
I think as few as 8 will be just about right :D

Why?

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Imrik86
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-11-15 22:11:34 UTC
Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?

If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.

It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-15 22:13:56 UTC
Imrik86 wrote:
Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?

If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.

It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets.



learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff

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Imrik86
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-11-15 22:29:24 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Imrik86 wrote:
Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?

If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.

It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets.



learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff


So you know torps were useless, right? Right? Cool
The Underdark
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-11-15 23:02:58 UTC
Imrik86 wrote:
Max Kolonko wrote:



learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff


So you know torps were useless, right? Right? Cool


Torps are far from useless, get 1 tackle ship with a web and painter and what's this? massive damage with every hit.

In a fleet, a scenario that will be most common with these glass cannon's, there will be no shortage of proper utility to have torps hitting for very respectable damage. that is unless you failfit the entire fleet
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-11-15 23:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Kolonko
Imrik86 wrote:
Max Kolonko wrote:



learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff


So you know torps were useless, right? Right? Cool


Torps are more than enough to get BS's - and guess what - that's what those ships are for - killing BS's. Not other BC's, Not T3, not other cruisers. BS SIZED SHIPS. Ofc some faction BS's are to fast for torps, but than again - You don't expect 40m ship to easily kill 1b ship, do You?

Besides due to glass cannon design those are NOT solo ships, those are FLEET SHIPS. Unless You just sit in Hi-sec waiting for a freighter full of blue ice to pop.


The Underdark wrote:

Torps are far from useless, get 1 tackle ship with a web and painter and what's this? massive damage with every hit.

In a fleet, a scenario that will be most common with these glass cannon's, there will be no shortage of proper utility to have torps hitting for very respectable damage. that is unless you failfit the entire fleet


This, pretty much.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-11-16 01:48:09 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Imrik86 wrote:
Max Kolonko wrote:



learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff


So you know torps were useless, right? Right? Cool


Torps are more than enough to get BS's - and guess what - that's what those ships are for - killing BS's. Not other BC's, Not T3, not other cruisers. BS SIZED SHIPS. Ofc some faction BS's are to fast for torps, but than again - You don't expect 40m ship to easily kill 1b ship, do You?

Besides due to glass cannon design those are NOT solo ships, those are FLEET SHIPS. Unless You just sit in Hi-sec waiting for a freighter full of blue ice to pop.


The Underdark wrote:

Torps are far from useless, get 1 tackle ship with a web and painter and what's this? massive damage with every hit.

In a fleet, a scenario that will be most common with these glass cannon's, there will be no shortage of proper utility to have torps hitting for very respectable damage. that is unless you failfit the entire fleet


This, pretty much.


naga needs torps.

'nuff said.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#33 - 2011-11-16 04:43:58 UTC
My theory:
Naga looks like a submarine, therefore It should have torpedoes. Also, when it still had torps, I could take down a battleship pretty quickly, while orbiting at a close distance.

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Insane Randomness
Stellar Pilgrimage
#34 - 2011-11-16 06:00:03 UTC
I found it quite cool. Killed an oracle today with a 425 naga. I plan on getting one when they debut.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#35 - 2011-11-16 06:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: To mare
imho just leave the ship with 8 launcher hardpoint and no bonus to torps just hybrid
edit: except the bonus for fitting said torps
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
#36 - 2011-11-16 08:34:25 UTC
Ah man there goes my torp naga......
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
#37 - 2011-11-16 08:40:29 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!


You gotta keep that under your hat if we are to get launchers back....
Eukalipta
Planetary 0perations
#38 - 2011-11-16 11:21:54 UTC
I vote for either a missile naga or a drone talos, this is really strange having two hybrid boats, i realize ccpTallest likes to plug his project but this is being hoggy.
Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
#39 - 2011-11-16 11:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sim Cognito
Abrazzar wrote:
Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!





Eh, that's a massively failfit set up and an even worse argument. The drake can already do that with x10 the efficiency.




Still, the Naga should have at least the ability to fit launchers, even without a significant bonus, for versatility. Just add missile launcher hardpoints.


From another thread:

Sim Cognito wrote:
Hybrids are a perfectly valid Caldari system, as several ships are dedicated hybrid platforms.


Do not whine because you cannot be bothered to queue up a few skills. I have trained for every single racial ship and weapons systems in the game, and some people are afraid to go beyond PVEfest missiles?







I can't say that I did not like the choice between hybrids and missiles on the Naga.


Ideally CCP could just add two torpedo bonuses (so it would have x2 hybrid bonuses and x2 torpedo bonuses, as many many people suggested) and provide the Naga with 8 missile launcher hardpoints, allowing to have a secondary option to blasters in close range combat. Everyone is happy and satisfied.



tl;dr


  • Keep the hybrid bonuses are they are, but add another set of two torpedo bonuses as well as 8 missile launcher hardpoints to the Naga.
290xanaots
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-11-17 10:54:03 UTC
Go'l durn it!

What have we caldari pilots got to do to get a missile ship here?

We've got one real option per ship class for missiles, really our primary weapon.

Frig-Kessy
Cruiser-Caracal
BC-Drake
BS-Raven
Recon-Rook
CMD-NH

There are other ships that fire missiles, things like the Scorp, BB, Flycatcher. But we all know that their missile damage is not the reason you fly these ships.

I know CCP wants to showcase the new hybrid guns, but we don't need another Ferox.

Dear CCP, be less like the Ferox. Don't suck.