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blue dehazon
Stonegard Arrows
#121 - 2013-09-26 23:06:37 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
blue dehazon wrote:
i agre,this game turning more and more in to a playground for the large alliances and les and les a game for smal corp or singel player,if the next expancion gose the same way then am don whid this game.

Actually, this looks like something for smaller high-sec bound corps to get into as they grow, before they can handle defending such assets in low sec vs capital/supercap fleets.

Or were you expecting to hold a POCO as a corp with three players and half a dozen alts?

i wont tray that. just stop doing PI
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#122 - 2013-09-26 23:11:46 UTC
Kyle Maltese wrote:

The new missiles are going to be a great addition. Imagine a small fleet of BSes taking on a larger frigate fleet. No more are Battleships only really viable in a fleet; FW is going to be seeing them a lot more now that they can defend themselves with more than just drones.



I do not follow this.

How will missiles help out bs's and how does any of this affect drones?

What are they doing that changes this much?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#123 - 2013-09-26 23:14:46 UTC
On high sec POCOs:

Having a null alliance take them all over and lock everyone out will bad for new players, and casual players. But thats what will happen if players can take over high sec POCOs. Unless there are in-game mechanics that prevent it.

For example, there could be a limit that, at least in high sec, a POCO must be available to all and the tax rate has an upper limit of about what the current tax rate is. But thats sort of against the sandbox of Eve, and also against the idea that we pod pilots are taking over. Where is this limit coming from? (CONCORD?)

Is there a way to protect new players doing PI while at the same time removing a limit on the sandbox? I propose that the limit on the number of POCOs orbiting a planet be removed. If you do not like the tax rate, or have no access, you can put up your own POCO. If the POCOs orbiting a planet exclude some groups of players, you could put one up without such limits and capture that market.

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Kyle Maltese
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-09-26 23:17:38 UTC
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Kyle Maltese wrote:

The new missiles are going to be a great addition. Imagine a small fleet of BSes taking on a larger frigate fleet. No more are Battleships only really viable in a fleet; FW is going to be seeing them a lot more now that they can defend themselves with more than just drones.



I do not follow this.

How will missiles help out bs's and how does any of this affect drones?

What are they doing that changes this much?

Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers, if I remember right. They'll be more effective vs frigates than anything else, especially if BSes get bonuses to them ( I believe they hinted towards that in the video, but I could be wrong).
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2013-09-26 23:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Anyone else notice that the depot seems to have points on each side as if to attach things in the future?

Get to work on force field, shield, and clone vat bay modular add ons to my depot please.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#126 - 2013-09-26 23:22:04 UTC
blue dehazon wrote:
Vald Tegor wrote:
blue dehazon wrote:
i agre,this game turning more and more in to a playground for the large alliances and les and les a game for smal corp or singel player,if the next expancion gose the same way then am don whid this game.

Actually, this looks like something for smaller high-sec bound corps to get into as they grow, before they can handle defending such assets in low sec vs capital/supercap fleets.

Or were you expecting to hold a POCO as a corp with three players and half a dozen alts?

i wont tray that. just stop doing PI

I bet you stop running missions too because there's a tax on the bounty and a one man corp is too easy to wadec, right?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#127 - 2013-09-26 23:25:20 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
On high sec POCOs:

Having a null alliance take them all over and lock everyone out will bad for new players, and casual players.

Implying new or casual players are incapable of joining a high sec organization that is capable of holding their own POCO or has blue standings with another entity who does.

The M stands for Multiplayer.

Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#128 - 2013-09-26 23:26:02 UTC
I like the siphon tool. Hopefully that isn't it for 'guerrilla warfare'
Liberty Belle
Yulai Heavy Industries
#129 - 2013-09-26 23:26:54 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

EVE Online: Rubicon, the 20th Free Expansion for EVE Online, has been announced and will be hitting Tranquility on November 19th, 2013.

Please feel free to use this thread for discussion!

Big smile



Let me start by saying that Odyssey was a very pleasant surprise expansion in terms of what it delivered. The bar is getting high again; please do not disappoint with the content that was discussed today! Big smile

I love the storyline / gameplay direction that the senior producer opened with, and I think the new structures, ship re-balancing/re-purposing, etc. is putting us on the path to another 10 years of adventure!

Good luck - - can't wait to see the upcoming dev blogs!
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#130 - 2013-09-26 23:28:29 UTC
Kyle Maltese wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Kyle Maltese wrote:

The new missiles are going to be a great addition. Imagine a small fleet of BSes taking on a larger frigate fleet. No more are Battleships only really viable in a fleet; FW is going to be seeing them a lot more now that they can defend themselves with more than just drones.



I do not follow this.

How will missiles help out bs's and how does any of this affect drones?

What are they doing that changes this much?

Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers, if I remember right. They'll be more effective vs frigates than anything else, especially if BSes get bonuses to them ( I believe they hinted towards that in the video, but I could be wrong).

Yes a raven will be able to fire bonused Precision Heavy missiles with a higher rate of fire than a standard heavy missile launcher.

It's also still going to be a Raven.
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-09-26 23:35:11 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Vald Tegor wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:

anyone will be able to attack those highsec poco's .. without concord intervention

if you think the tax rates are too high .. LAUNCH YOUR **** DIRECTLY INTO SPACE and pay no tax, your not forced to use the orbiting POCO .... it's not rocket science

Please enlighten us on your magical ways of making P4's without the use of a POCO

Also citation needed on Concord and POCO's, I understood that to be related to depots not POCOs.



I can confirm that statement from CCP Fozzie today on EVE TV @ 2000 UTC announcement for Rubicon.

He said very clearly and unambiguously that POCO's will NOT be protected by Concord (paraphrasing)

I'm also paraphrasing and understood "no concord involvement, at most you will get a suspect flag" to be specifically referring to the four new personal anchorable modules.

Therefore, citation needed.

Required wardec fees for POCO's would do interesting things as a gold sink and the fluctuating cost of that would have interesting impact on the balance of control. But without a required wardec it would be a constant state of "welp, can't do my PI today the POCO got randomly reinforced again".



Nothing wrong with asking for citation - it was an implicit reference that they are 'bringing' POCO's to high sec = i.e. the same mechanic that exists in low sec.

What many will miss is that this is the beginning of the end of Empire as we know it - it is clear to me, that excluding CONCORDs ever watchful eye, CCP will begin to allow capsuleers greater control over current empire space in the coming months and years.

The deconstruction of NPC everything has begun!

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blue dehazon
Stonegard Arrows
#132 - 2013-09-26 23:36:20 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
blue dehazon wrote:
Vald Tegor wrote:
blue dehazon wrote:
i agre,this game turning more and more in to a playground for the large alliances and les and les a game for smal corp or singel player,if the next expancion gose the same way then am don whid this game.

Actually, this looks like something for smaller high-sec bound corps to get into as they grow, before they can handle defending such assets in low sec vs capital/supercap fleets.

Or were you expecting to hold a POCO as a corp with three players and half a dozen alts?

i wont tray that. just stop doing PI

I bet you stop running missions too because there's a tax on the bounty and a one man corp is too easy to wadec, right?

read the forum tread name,its not about what i migth do.
CCP Manifest
CCP Retirement Home
#133 - 2013-09-26 23:38:22 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
On high sec POCOs:

Having a null alliance take them all over and lock everyone out will bad for new players, and casual players. But thats what will happen if players can take over high sec POCOs. Unless there are in-game mechanics that prevent it.

For example, there could be a limit that, at least in high sec, a POCO must be available to all and the tax rate has an upper limit of about what the current tax rate is. But thats sort of against the sandbox of Eve, and also against the idea that we pod pilots are taking over. Where is this limit coming from? (CONCORD?)

Is there a way to protect new players doing PI while at the same time removing a limit on the sandbox? I propose that the limit on the number of POCOs orbiting a planet be removed. If you do not like the tax rate, or have no access, you can put up your own POCO. If the POCOs orbiting a planet exclude some groups of players, you could put one up without such limits and capture that market.



Awww man, if an Alliance took over all high sec POCOs they would be amongst the most logistically impressive groups of people of all time and probably be able to publish their work in political, sociological and scientific journals for decades to come. Do you know how many POCOs are in high sec space?

Anyways, part of POCOs is that if they stack their tax rate too high for use, I'd assume another nullec alliance would start getting into the business of owning all POCOs and offer more competitive and realistic taxes. You know, cartel style competition.

Either which way, if and when players do something super crazy with Rubicon designs, we always have the option to patch. Good old Patchy McPatchersson, such a stalwart friend!

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Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-09-26 23:39:47 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:

He'll tell you no, because it's a hollow threat that's been used since 2003; and because of the fact he'll resubscribe once a few expancsions come through and he can actually then see what CCP is doing (that he could not perceive in advance)

I'm sure his thread is sincerer and he will gladly donate his wallet and assets to me to reinforce his statement.



Let me know if he puts his money where his mouth is... Blink

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Jesse Liverm0re
Doomheim
#135 - 2013-09-26 23:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jesse Liverm0re
Is siphon tool all about force people to babysit their POSes 24/7 ? If it is like that then it's really a failed design, no matter how real EVE is, every player still has the REAL real life to take care of. It will be like 0.01 isk war in Jita, the guy with the most persistence and durability wins, it's not a game that is enjoyable to play.

Beyond that I can't see how this expansion has anything to do with the most of the critical problems in EVE at all, first thing better to do is to fix the current game mechanism (like sov grinding system) then think about new features later.
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2013-09-26 23:44:55 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
On high sec POCOs:

Having a null alliance take them all over and lock everyone out will bad for new players, and casual players. But thats what will happen if players can take over high sec POCOs. Unless there are in-game mechanics that prevent it.

For example, there could be a limit that, at least in high sec, a POCO must be available to all and the tax rate has an upper limit of about what the current tax rate is. But thats sort of against the sandbox of Eve, and also against the idea that we pod pilots are taking over. Where is this limit coming from? (CONCORD?)

Is there a way to protect new players doing PI while at the same time removing a limit on the sandbox? I propose that the limit on the number of POCOs orbiting a planet be removed. If you do not like the tax rate, or have no access, you can put up your own POCO. If the POCOs orbiting a planet exclude some groups of players, you could put one up without such limits and capture that market.



Awww man, if an Alliance took over all high sec POCOs they would be amongst the most logistically impressive groups of people of all time and probably be able to publish their work in political, sociological and scientific journals for decades to come. Do you know how many POCOs are in high sec space?

Anyways, part of POCOs is that if they stack their tax rate too high for use, I'd assume another nullec alliance would start getting into the business of owning all POCOs and offer more competitive and realistic taxes. You know, cartel style competition.

Either which way, if and when players do something super crazy with Rubicon designs, we always have the option to patch. Good old Patchy McPatchersson, such a stalwart friend!



CCP Manifest - that is not very "emergent" of you... Blink

Any chance to get a clarification on CCP's vision of High Sec POCO's vis a vis the current resource allocation on High Sec Planets compared to Low/Null/W-Space sec planets? It would be helpful for the purposes of feed back from the PI community if we had a better understanding of the "valuable planets" comment made by CCP Fozzie...

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#137 - 2013-09-26 23:46:02 UTC
So when are you announcing that T2 res for marauders was just a joke?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2013-09-26 23:47:38 UTC
Interceptors! Gimme back my ranis.

Looking good. As long as there are no new microtransactions coming, all is well.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#139 - 2013-09-26 23:52:36 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:

He'll tell you no, because it's a hollow threat that's been used since 2003; and because of the fact he'll resubscribe once a few expancsions come through and he can actually then see what CCP is doing (that he could not perceive in advance)

I'm sure his thread is sincerer and he will gladly donate his wallet and assets to me to reinforce his statement.



Let me know if he puts his money where his mouth is... Blink


You have obviously already put your foot into your own neckbeard mouth.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-09-27 00:01:39 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:

He'll tell you no, because it's a hollow threat that's been used since 2003; and because of the fact he'll resubscribe once a few expancsions come through and he can actually then see what CCP is doing (that he could not perceive in advance)

I'm sure his thread is sincerer and he will gladly donate his wallet and assets to me to reinforce his statement.



Let me know if he puts his money where his mouth is... Blink


You have obviously already put your foot into your own neckbeard mouth.



Thank you for noticing my neck beard... it is rather impressive isn't it?!

CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf