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A very personal question

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#41 - 2013-09-26 17:35:26 UTC
Oh, Maker. Please tell me you have at least some executive control. I have no doubt as to your being a dutiful and loyal citizen, but I don't know how closely you read contracts...

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#42 - 2013-09-26 17:40:02 UTC
Since you ask: you can, but you shouldn't.

Else
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#43 - 2013-09-26 17:41:53 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.


Good grief, Diana, I have about an hour a week taken up in public appearances, at the least. Not to mention the t-shirts, the posters, the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). One company does digital 'trading cards' of STPRO pilots and contacted me regarding my "Rookie of the Year" card for Caldari Militia in YC114.

At a convention last year I saw about thirty baseliners who were cosplaying as me. My assistant processes a good three to four thousand information requests and fanmails every week. Quotations in those fanmails and informaiton requests suggest that many people are monitoring my activity in the Channel "The Summit" as well as on the IGS board, here.

As for capsuleers having children, as a Citizen of the State, I shouldn't have to tell you that not only is it a privilege it is our duty to the State.


Ohmigosh. Now I understand why that poster in the creche is familiar! You and Desiderya-haani are very popular with a small group of seven year olds here, it seems. Maybe you will meet them next time you are here! It would certainly make their day.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2013-09-26 18:01:53 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.


Good grief, Diana, I have about an hour a week taken up in public appearances, at the least. Not to mention the t-shirts, the posters, the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). One company does digital 'trading cards' of STPRO pilots and contacted me regarding my "Rookie of the Year" card for Caldari Militia in YC114.

At a convention last year I saw about thirty baseliners who were cosplaying as me. My assistant processes a good three to four thousand information requests and fanmails every week. Quotations in those fanmails and informaiton requests suggest that many people are monitoring my activity in the Channel "The Summit" as well as on the IGS board, here.

As for capsuleers having children, as a Citizen of the State, I shouldn't have to tell you that not only is it a privilege it is our duty to the State.


Ohmigosh. Now I understand why that poster in the creche is familiar! You and Desiderya-haani are very popular with a small group of seven year olds here, it seems. Maybe you will meet them next time you are here! It would certainly make their day.


I'll make sure to make the time, Schere-suuolo. Let me know what time of the day works with their creche-leader. I need to get some of my blood bugs calibrated anyway so I can plan both things on the same day. Also need to collect those hugs.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#45 - 2013-09-26 18:03:49 UTC
Wait, she holds rights to the digital pictures from the underwear shoot? That sucks.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-09-26 19:48:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.

Even admiral's kids don't go to school with guards and no one tastes their cakes and other stuff. They live and study together with other children to become proper part of the society.

And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.



Capsuleers are already hated for being ludicrously rich immortals. What they do with that makes them even more hated. I've slaughtered thousands of pirates for the Federation navy, regularly engage other capsuleers, and run a political news show.

I've received so many death threats from baseliners that I've actually commissioned CreoDron to write a program that automatically detects and sends them to my spam mail folder. In addition, there have been several attempts on my life when I was outside the pod. No massive elaborate plots or anything, just walking down the street or station corridor and someone recognizes me for whatever reason and tries to use the opportunity to shank me, shoot me, or blow me to bits.

I have even more fans than haters of course. Viewers of Fred Fred Frederation send me fanmail all the time and depending on the planet or station, will try to swarm me. During one of those swarms, a lock of my hair was ripped out and sold on Galnet for about three thhousand ISK, which is a lot of money for a baseliner. The fact that I'm well liked is another reason to have me killed. It's certainly impossible for a capsuleer to lay low if they lead an active lifestyle and public lifestyle like I do.

I'm surprised you would be so naive Ms. Kim. You are a very vocal about your hatred of the Federation and someone recently made an attempt on your life too. You have many enemies across the cluster, both capsuleer and baseliner. That wasn't meant to be an insult mind you, it's just the facts. A combat capsuleer will naturally have many enemies, and those that post controversial opinions on the IGS will have even more. You have both of those things. I'd imagine your strong opinions net you a lot of friends with similar ideology. If an enemy of my enemy is my friend, then naturally a friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Trensk Mikakka
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#47 - 2013-09-26 23:09:28 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


What? I don't even.



Truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth


Fred is correct, and I can say, also that even though I have done so much for baseliners, they still hate me. I've donated to their charities, I've killed thousands of pirates, I take care of unreputable individuals in high sec, and I fight the Gallente and Minmatar milita, all to help and protect them, yet they still hate me for it. It's no real secret. I literally refuse to have children, just for this reason. If things change, then maybe, but I doubt they will anytime soon.

Speaking theoretically, if I had children, I'd do everything I could to protect them, and be with them. Maybe not bodyguards, until things started to get tense, then I'd just hire a clone soldier. Overkill, but that's really the only kill. My job isn't the best for raising children, though, and I admit that, and I'd really say for others to follow that rule, also, unless they can be with their family a lot.

Oh, and I'd love it if you'd forward that software to me, Fred, it'd be a great help.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-09-26 23:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zsaryna Adrelana
Children and Capsuleering are a volatile mix at best. I know there are other Capsuleers who have had children, and all power to them, but it just doesn't sit right with me. From the perspective of a woman, it's complicated by the fact that the pod is somewhat cramped, not to mention the complications a developing neural net could possibly have on the pod interface system, and the fact flying around means you are one gatecamp away from losing all your hard work so you'd have to take a protracted gap in Capsuleering until the child is old enough to support themselves. Or you could just install the foetus in a womb with a view, but that is somewhat frowned upon back home.

For a father though... You'd still have to make time for the kids from Capsuleering, and you may want to be circumspect about what you do for a living. " Bring your dad to school" day will be something of a challenge, as will school sports days and so on. However for what it's worth, I wish you the very best of luck, whatever you decide to do.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-09-27 00:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, Maker. Please tell me you have at least some executive control. I have no doubt as to your being a dutiful and loyal citizen, but I don't know how closely you read contracts...


Digital image clauses is just part of an indentured work contract standard in the State I would believe. As an employee of a company you are also nominally a representative of that company and ones public profile can also be a commodity to be used in the interests of a company.

As for the original question posed in this communique. I was a mother until recently, and only chose to become a capsuleer when I deemed my children to be of a sufficient age that I could release them from my care. They are orphans in the care of Kaalakiota and the State now. If they survive their years of training in their present corporate-military youth brigade, they can return to me as men and we shall discuss it then if we are to resume our obligations to each other as Family.

I certainly would not decide upon continuing my career as a capsuleer if I did not recognize that embarking my children upon the same path as I once walked to be a necessary sacrifice on my own part. They will perhaps despise me, as I once despised my own parents, for the decision I have made. I am sure however, they will mature as I have and recognize that it is sometimes better to be strengthened with the proper virtues instilled on the parade grounds when you are young, than to be weakened later in life spoiled by too much love and affection as a child.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-09-27 02:50:07 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.


Good grief, Diana, I have about an hour a week taken up in public appearances, at the least. Not to mention the t-shirts, the posters, the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). One company does digital 'trading cards' of STPRO pilots and contacted me regarding my "Rookie of the Year" card for Caldari Militia in YC114.

At a convention last year I saw about thirty baseliners who were cosplaying as me. My assistant processes a good three to four thousand information requests and fanmails every week. Quotations in those fanmails and informaiton requests suggest that many people are monitoring my activity in the Channel "The Summit" as well as on the IGS board, here.

As for capsuleers having children, as a Citizen of the State, I shouldn't have to tell you that not only is it a privilege it is our duty to the State.

What is this incompetence about?
This is so wrong and so gallentean on so many levels!! Did this witch Veikitamo do this to you?...
Run.
Run, while you can, of course, unless you enjoy pro-gallentean lifestyle.

Oh, and you can't imagine what did it cost me to get rid of such shame as action figure. But you can imagine where I suggested them to insert their card after they contacted me for my positions on Caldari Militia combat reports statistics like, for Dec YC114, Apr YC115 and other occasions like this .

The only public appearance where I stand before baseliners as a capsuleer, are before my crewmembers, and these meetings tend to process strict with military discipline and statutory relations.

Don't forget, Tuulinen-haan, that you are a soldier, and your duty is to kill enemies, and not be a public showman like this Gesakaarin wants.

And, yes, since you can make proper Civire children, it is your duty to make them... just, well, better register them as orphans, or something like that, or they will be treated poorly. And... uh... enjoy your family.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-09-27 03:07:11 UTC
Oh my, I have to admit I chuckled when I am attributed supernatural powers as a "witch" that can control other people's minds now by Diana Kim.

Hmm.

Maybe so much of Kim's angst towards me stems from her fears of my mind control powers?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-09-27 03:33:04 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Capsuleers are already hated for being ludicrously rich immortals. What they do with that makes them even more hated. I've slaughtered thousands of pirates for the Federation navy, regularly engage other capsuleers, and run a political news show.

I've received so many death threats from baseliners that I've actually commissioned CreoDron to write a program that automatically detects and sends them to my spam mail folder. In addition, there have been several attempts on my life when I was outside the pod. No massive elaborate plots or anything, just walking down the street or station corridor and someone recognizes me for whatever reason and tries to use the opportunity to shank me, shoot me, or blow me to bits.

I have even more fans than haters of course. Viewers of Fred Fred Frederation send me fanmail all the time and depending on the planet or station, will try to swarm me. During one of those swarms, a lock of my hair was ripped out and sold on Galnet for about three thhousand ISK, which is a lot of money for a baseliner. The fact that I'm well liked is another reason to have me killed. It's certainly impossible for a capsuleer to lay low if they lead an active lifestyle and public lifestyle like I do.

I'm surprised you would be so naive Ms. Kim. You are a very vocal about your hatred of the Federation and someone recently made an attempt on your life too. You have many enemies across the cluster, both capsuleer and baseliner. That wasn't meant to be an insult mind you, it's just the facts. A combat capsuleer will naturally have many enemies, and those that post controversial opinions on the IGS will have even more. You have both of those things. I'd imagine your strong opinions net you a lot of friends with similar ideology. If an enemy of my enemy is my friend, then naturally a friend of my enemy is my enemy.

"Lidicrously rich immortals"?...
First: we are not real immortals. We die way more often than baseliners. And even our "consciousness" isn't immortal: your cloning facilities can be shut down any moment for any major CONCORD rule violation. Or simply if you won't pay for your licence, you won't be allowed to use both capsule and cloning facilities.
Second: our "richness" is used to buy and support fleets of warships. You don't generally call admiral rich for having huge fleet and ordering even more vessels, right?

Usually when I walk around stations with baseliners, no one have even idea, that I am a capsuleer. I behave like a regular officer and citizen and give no one any reason to suspect me in being a capsuleer. And if anyone will try to pull my collar to see if there is a jack below, he will find himself lying on the floor with my boot on his throat.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-09-27 04:19:31 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Oh my, I have to admit I chuckled when I am attributed supernatural powers as a "witch" that can control other people's minds now by Diana Kim.

Hmm.

Maybe so much of Kim's angst towards me stems from her fears of my mind control powers?

If you consider an ability for a dubious citizen to ignore proper military conduct and behave like a gallentean sellgirl as a supernatural power, then yes. And if she can influence others (as her subordinates, who were unlucky enough to get as a superior... akhem... "officer" such filth) with this pro-gallentean filth, then yes, there is a reason for fear.

If you turn others towards path of gallente... well, you are no longer filth.
You are a threat.
Threat deserve greater attention than filth.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#54 - 2013-09-27 13:29:28 UTC
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
Isis, if that is the case, I dare you come come attack my children. Let's see how far you get, you coward.


Not coward and don't invoke that title in me, not when there is reason to fear what I bring up. It's not me you should truly fear, it's those that lurk these channels without posting, those who slip through the shadows of space without being seen; powerful characters richly in boredrum that would love nothing more than to weed out incompetence.

In their eyes, you are incompetent for having children as a capsuleer. If you are anything less than the demigod amongst the stars within their vision, you are incompetent.

Rather than insult me, you should credit where it is due.

Space is dark, laced with natural and unnatural predators, especially your fellow kin.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2013-09-27 22:14:52 UTC
I don't see Isis as a threatening personality here, I think - if anything - she is trying to ward some of you from the dark forces that she perceives other capsuleers to be.

I'll admit she has given her warning clumsily, but I don't see malice in her intentions and I think some people have chosen to be personally offended where there is no cause.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-09-28 06:02:08 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
Isis, if that is the case, I dare you come come attack my children. Let's see how far you get, you coward.


Not coward and don't invoke that title in me, not when there is reason to fear what I bring up. It's not me you should truly fear, it's those that lurk these channels without posting, those who slip through the shadows of space without being seen; powerful characters richly in boredrum that would love nothing more than to weed out incompetence.

In their eyes, you are incompetent for having children as a capsuleer. If you are anything less than the demigod amongst the stars within their vision, you are incompetent.

Rather than insult me, you should credit where it is due.

Space is dark, laced with natural and unnatural predators, especially your fellow kin.

Ms. Dea, I understand your desire to help them, but scaring them like that and providing inaccurate information is not the right path to do this. Peoples must make decision by analyzing facts and weighing arguments. Emotions like love, desire, fear or hatred won't help. It is not professional.

But as for me, I would consider incompetent a capsuleer who really believes that he or she is a demigod, and will sacrifice life (own or others) for nothing where it can be saved.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-09-28 16:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
For the OP in regards to having children:

I have chosen for voluntary sterilisation on all of my currently active clones.

Again, this choice was wholly voluntary, and for personal reasons. I am an Informorph, and though I have not abandoned my humanity, I will not deny my truth either - those who do try to deny their Capsuleer nature it may find themselves living a hollow parody of an old life in which they no longer properly fit; feeling their actions seem more like puppetry or a disassociated episode than true experience.

I am a sacrifice to my God, my King, and my Empress, these are choices that I made gladly for the preservation of both Kingdom and Empire. Therefore I live as a capsuleer is to live, as I was trained, and to the fullest I am able.

This is not a matter of an emotional struggle dealing with raising mortal children while afflicted with some imagined immortality - that 'struggle' truly is imagined. We are not immortal - it is simply very hard to keep us 'dead' unless we choose to do so. Even still every time our pod is breached we are rolling dice on that 0.3% burn transfer failure.

And if a life 'long lived' is a great concern, I would think that any Empyrean with a half functioning implant would simply pay to have their families become empyreans as well upon adulthood; this imagined heartache of watching one's children's die of old age while they stay young is merely the beginning of a panicked thought process that oddly isn't taken to the end conclusion.

Therefore, my reasonings are not selfish ones -- what I would have to experience in the process, how I would feel about it.

Remain aware that when you speak to the comparatively very tiny population of New Eden's Pilots who discuss their humanist traits here in the Intergalactic Summit, there are hundreds of thousands of Capsuleers who no longer consider these traits vital, or even important - be it madness, or simply an evolution in the psychological paradigm between baseliner and Capsuleer. Those of us who cling to their homes, factions, families, and societies we engaged in pre-graduation are a terrifyingly small minority in a world flooded with the madmen (and women) Capsuleers - the ones who cause the average baseliner to quake in terror when we are even simply mentioned in conversation. The void is terrifying and filed with darkness, and much of it resides in the hearts of Capsuleers.

We are a shining, deadly crown; a biological fitting to a starship that was against all odds allowed to retain his or her free will - for good, or for ill. We spill the bodies of thousands of crews into space daily and give no thought to their names, their thoughts, their hopes, their dreams - or if we do, we risk the chance of going truly mad until we no longer do give it thought.

Even the humble industrialist miner has blood on their hands; we casually listen to audio-feeds or chatter of corporate voicecomms as our drones dismantle pirates who enter our asteroid belts - we barely glance up at their wrecks.

Yes, we can have children.

But be sure that you know 'exactly why'. Be sure that with what you have taken, that you deserve to be given anything. Be sure that the sins of the parents shall not rest on the shoulders of the children - which, in this cluster, is a common practice. Be sure that as an empyrean who can afford nearly everything, that you are not deeply underestimating the cost of bringing a child into your world.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2013-09-28 16:57:48 UTC
I am no more a 'biological fitting' for my ship than is the man who loads the missile launchers or parses the sensor data into information.

I am sure that people crossed similar psychological thresholds when we could first guarantee that there would be enough food for everyone to survive the next winter. When we developed antibiotics and surgery. When we developed medical nanites. Now our life expectancy is up around a century for a human being, with every expectancy that they will be 100 useful and viable years.

Has the knowledge that we won't starve turned us into monsters?

I have always worked in high-risk professions, but the risks to my body as a capsuleer dwarf the chances I used to take as a cop. Bodyarmour didn't make me take risks on getting shot that weren't part of my profession. Cloning doesn't make me take risks with my life that aren't a part of my profession.

Now SOME of us are risktakers. Perhaps that predilection for risk is something that comes more frequently to those of us with the genetic signature for the pod?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-09-29 20:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I am no more a 'biological fitting' for my ship than is the man who loads the missile launchers or parses the sensor data into information.

I am sure that people crossed similar psychological thresholds when we could first guarantee that there would be enough food for everyone to survive the next winter. When we developed antibiotics and surgery. When we developed medical nanites. Now our life expectancy is up around a century for a human being, with every expectancy that they will be 100 useful and viable years.

Has the knowledge that we won't starve turned us into monsters?

I have always worked in high-risk professions, but the risks to my body as a capsuleer dwarf the chances I used to take as a cop. Bodyarmour didn't make me take risks on getting shot that weren't part of my profession. Cloning doesn't make me take risks with my life that aren't a part of my profession.

Now SOME of us are risktakers. Perhaps that predilection for risk is something that comes more frequently to those of us with the genetic signature for the pod?



It's possible - and lets be realistic, anyone willing to go into space is willing to take a very large risk. I'd wager our crew could be considered more brave - or foolish - than ourselves. But these are different weights and measures.

Did the ability to survive into the next winter turn us into monsters? It's possible -- depending on what one defines a monster as. All in all the word ends up rather subjective really when it's not being applied to a mythical or imagined being that a single group assigns ass a definition to a single (or multiple) beings or creatures.

At the end of the day, this will boil down into an argument based on each person's upbringing as to whether it is right or wrong, how their individual nations treat capsuleers, etcetera - but the truth of it is unless you plan to retire from space or live as a distant parent or place the child in a creche until such children reach adulthood, it will be dangerous. Of course, it is a danger any one can be willing to take based on circumstances. "Risktaking" is actually a very broad field. If we lived with eternal fear of the unknown every day we'd fear to open our eyes for what nightmares could be in front of us.

Regardless of what any of us think as individuals, in the OP's case, it is a decision they need to make based on the truths around them. I doubt any pirate pilot will acknowledge and cease to fire on a vessel sporting a 'baby on board' glyph like you see on some ground transports across the cluster.

I may have come off as a bit more grim than I usually am, but I am a firm believer that a child's feet should be either on the ground or on a station deck.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Retro Dallas
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-09-30 01:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Retro Dallas
Arista Shahni wrote:
It's possible - and lets be realistic, anyone willing to go into space is willing to take a very large risk. I'd wager our crew could be considered more brave - or foolish - than ourselves. But these are different weights and measures.

Did the ability to survive into the next winter turn us into monsters? It's possible -- depending on what one defines a monster as. All in all the word ends up rather subjective really when it's not being applied to a mythical or imagined being that a single group assigns ass a definition to a single (or multiple) beings or creatures.

At the end of the day, this will boil down into an argument based on each person's upbringing as to whether it is right or wrong, how their individual nations treat capsuleers, etcetera - but the truth of it is unless you plan to retire from space or live as a distant parent or place the child in a creche until such children reach adulthood, it will be dangerous. Of course, it is a danger any one can be willing to take based on circumstances. "Risktaking" is actually a very broad field. If we lived with eternal fear of the unknown every day we'd fear to open our eyes for what nightmares could be in front of us.

Regardless of what any of us think as individuals, in the OP's case, it is a decision they need to make based on the truths around them. I doubt any pirate pilot will acknowledge and cease to fire on a vessel sporting a 'baby on board' glyph like you see on some ground transports across the cluster.

I may have come off as a bit more grim than I usually am, but I am a firm believer that a child's feet should be either on the ground or on a station deck.


Did the ability to survive into the next winter turn us into monsters? There is currently a discussion going on about the treatment of crewmen on capsuleer ships. To the baseliners who may end up reading those responses, they certainly would see us as monsters; individuals who see them as tools, objects, uncaring how many lives are lost so long as their ship lasts just a few moments longer, and those who have no feelings at all if losing a ship with a thousand crewmen dead.

With such a disregard for life, and our natural ability to cheat death, how could we ever convince a baseliner that we are capable of taking care of and loving life when so many of us display emptyness towards them? Of course, anyone can simply answer with a very common and uninspired, "It Depends." or the same answer that the Senate gave the Minmatar, "...these cases appeared to be isolated and were swiftly resolved." A way of saying that the real underlying case hasn't been looked at or paid attention to.

Kaassan, the truths surround you, as Arista states, should be considered. Sure, you could just have a specially tailored clone at their station waiting for you to move your consciousness in there, so it could work out.