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New Eden and The Holy Amarr Empire

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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#21 - 2013-09-26 05:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
you're going to have to deal with CONCORD, who are obscenely powerful to the point of ridiculousness. They regularly smite capsuleer law breakers in mere seconds. I'd like to see any faction try to destroy them.
Now before people get themselves all bent out of shape and run screaming into the night waving their arms and shouting that we'll never be able to counter the forces of Concord, which could be described as a lethal marionette force manipulated to this day by the influences of the Jovians themselves, to our great an everlasting detriment, I however will make a more positive appraisal.

Concord draws it's recruits from the four human empires, and is not at all loved by the capsuleer privateer alliances of null sec, so for all intents and purposes, we are Concord, and we have only to cut the influential strings of the fetid Jovians puppet masters to make the organization serve our greater goals and purposes.

How can this be done you ask, it's already in the process, many many people see the wisdom of human affairs being solely under the control of fully human beings. So I am not so much asking for your opinion of it's possibility as much as I am informing you that you can assist it's growth. God's will shall be done, you can be a part of it, or you can be plowed under by it, the free choice is yours and it's easy, join and survive, or resist and perish foolishly attempting to thwart God's will.

New Eden is a big place I am optimistic that with a new Council of Apostles, an elected non-cloned Emperor jointly administering over a much expanded slavocracy suitable positions will be readily available for most of the non-Amarr races of the cluster. Slavery in service to your divine salvation is a small price to pay for the eternal bliss of God's good blessings.

I want to be clear as can be here, this is not a sales pitch, it is just an introduction to the inevitable, New Eden needs unification, and the Holy Amarr Empire is arguably the only human entity that could do it and maintain any sense of civilization in the process.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#22 - 2013-09-26 15:52:07 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Concord technology could not restrain our rebellious slaves, or protect Gallente from the Caldari uprising, you place your faith in technology you don't understand, while the pure True Amarr place our faith in the will of God.

So as you kneel before the inhuman Jove, ask yourself why they, seemingly so all powerful, also collapsed with the four empires of mankind? Ask yourself why they are a dying breed? Perhaps more importantly ask yourself who will you worship when they are broken,dead, and finally extinct?


Oh that is cute.

And to remember how much your Amarr Empire whined and whined about Minmatar having a seat in the CONCORD Assembly. I think your question of a enslaved Minmatar is already answered; CONCORD will enforce a voice from our underdeveloped and barbaric corner, as much as they enforce a seat for the Amarr (which blows my mind since you tried to reclaim them). That doesn't mean we still can't be slaves in time, as 40% of our society is technically yours now.

We will still have a voice.

If you embraced us more for what we are (you already do, more than Caldari or Gallente do), you might see more of us come flocking over.

As for the Jovians' decline, legend speaks of how this is because of decisions and pursuits prior to involvement with the four empires. As much as there is the prospect of the complete death of all Jove, I imagine there is still equally a chance they'll finger out a way to immortalize themselves within their state of decay. They've had greater foresight than any of our four nations combined (certainly greater than your Amarr Empire and now Empress).

Don't make me bring up Vak'Atioth...

May I remind you that CONCORD vessels are not manned by Jovians but rather by citizens of New Eden privileged in the highest tiers of law enforcement. There is no dying out of CONCORD and as long as you don't invent your own invention of the capsule, they will always hold the killswitch to all of capsuleer society.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#23 - 2013-09-26 16:01:31 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
Concord technology could not restrain our rebellious slaves, or protect Gallente from the Caldari uprising, you place your faith in technology you don't understand, while the pure True Amarr place our faith in the will of God.

So as you kneel before the inhuman Jove, ask yourself why they, seemingly so all powerful, also collapsed with the four empires of mankind? Ask yourself why they are a dying breed? Perhaps more importantly ask yourself who will you worship when they are broken,dead, and finally extinct?


Oh that is cute.

And to remember how much your Amarr Empire whined and whined about Minmatar having a seat in the CONCORD Assembly. I think your question of a enslaved Minmatar is already answered; CONCORD will enforce a voice from our underdeveloped and barbaric corner, as much as they enforce a seat for the Amarr (which blows my mind since you tried to reclaim them). That doesn't mean we still can't be slaves in time, as 40% of our society is technically yours now.

We will still have a voice.

If you embraced us more for what we are (you already do, more than Caldari or Gallente do), you might see more of us come flocking over.

As for the Jovians' decline, legend speaks of how this is because of decisions and pursuits prior to involvement with the four empires. As much as there is the prospect of the complete death of all Jove, I imagine there is still equally a chance they'll finger out a way to immortalize themselves within their state of decay. They've had greater foresight than any of our four nations combined (certainly greater than your Amarr Empire and now Empress).

Don't make me bring up Vak'Atioth...

May I remind you that CONCORD vessels are not manned by Jovians but rather by citizens of New Eden privileged in the highest tiers of law enforcement. There is no dying out of CONCORD and as long as you don't invent your own invention of the capsule, they will always hold the killswitch to all of capsuleer society.
You should have read this thread completely before posting, your comments about CONCORD are moot because of the post above your statements.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-09-26 18:07:24 UTC
Slaver Filth said:

"New Eden is a big place I am optimistic that with a new Council of Apostles, an elected non-cloned Emperor jointly administering over a much expanded slavocracy suitable positions will be readily available for most of the non-Amarr races of the cluster. Slavery in service to your divine salvation is a small price to pay for the eternal bliss of God's good blessings."

++++

Brother!! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!! Yes!

I was a sinner brother. A trader in 'adult holomovies' to the Empire's priests. A non-believer Gallente who loves his freedom so much so that he could never form or join a corp with his own people.

I have committed the sin of engaging in trade, wormhole diving, travelling through the Bleak Lands of null sec completely alone and never in the bondage of being either a Divine Slave or the slave to some Capsuleer Corporation.

My worst sins though have been to stand opposed to the Amarr's expansionist plans by aiding your enemies the Minmatar. My most recent sin was the destruction of a large number of Amarrian Battleships while acting on behalf of the Minmatar Mining Corporation.

Brother, oh how I have sinned!! PLEASE, take me to the House of Sarum so that I may beg forgiveness from the Emperess herself!!

Forgive my freedom loving EVIL! MAKE ME YOUR SLAVE FOR ALL ETERNITY!!

++++

As I have said before in other venues, I love Amarrians, they make me rich and they make me laugh. This particular priest is hysterical!! I promise to use his image in some future comic holo-movie.

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#25 - 2013-09-26 18:19:55 UTC
Did your parents really name you that?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-09-26 19:33:30 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:

Which indeed reinforces my point that as bad as you might think the Holy Amarr Empire could be, unless you were cursed enough to be born Matari, it is a walk in the park compared to the Unholy CFC Empire of goons gone wild. We must take steps to counter that potential for calamity.


The Goons didn't force anyone to join them unlike your Empire. If so many people voluntarily join the CFC then they can't be as bad as you like to think they are. So they blew up your mining ship for fun, big deal. What you want to do is either enslave or kill those that disagree with you. You simply can't draw parallels.

Slaver Filth wrote:
Now before people get themselves all bent out of shape and run screaming into the night waving their arms and shouting that we'll never be able to counter the forces of Concord, which could be described as a lethal marionette force manipulated to this day by the influences of the Jovians themselves, to our great an everlasting detriment, I however will make a more positive appraisal.

Concord draws it's recruits from the four human empires, and is not at all loved by the capsuleer privateer alliances of null sec, so for all intents and purposes, we are Concord, and we have only to cut the influential strings of the fetid Jovians puppet masters to make the organization serve our greater goals and purposes.


Great, more Jovian conspiracy nonsense.

The Jove are either on the brink of extinction, or solved their problems and simply decided us primitive morons weren't worth the trouble of trying to uplift. Especially considering that every encounter they have had with us ended with us forcing them to hand over their technology, or trying to subjugate them.

If they were alive and /or as involved as you think they are, we would certainly know it.

Slaver Filth wrote:

I want to be clear as can be here, this is not a sales pitch, it is just an introduction to the inevitable, New Eden needs unification, and the Holy Amarr Empire is arguably the only human entity that could do it and maintain any sense of civilization in the process.


We don't need unification. Despite our problems we have been doing fairly well. There hasn't been a real crisis in thousands upon thousands of years. Your little reclaiming will fail and that's assuming it isn't struck down for being such a stupid idea first.

The people that want to join you will join out of their own will, and those that don't wish to be Amarr never will. Those that float inbetween are free to make their own decision on what they want.

Eitherway, New Eden will never be unified because it doesn't want to be unified. The Caldari just want to be kept to themselves, the Minmatar just want you to rend slavery, and us Gallente are only going to make you Gallente if you actually want to be. The Empire is literally the only nation that wants total domination, which really says a lot about you.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#27 - 2013-09-26 19:48:44 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:

Which indeed reinforces my point that as bad as you might think the Holy Amarr Empire could be, unless you were cursed enough to be born Matari, it is a walk in the park compared to the Unholy CFC Empire of goons gone wild. We must take steps to counter that potential for calamity.


The Goons didn't force anyone to join them unlike your Empire. If so many people voluntarily join the CFC then they can't be as bad as you like to think they are. So they blew up your mining ship for fun, big deal. What you want to do is either enslave or kill those that disagree with you. You simply can't draw parallels.

Slaver Filth wrote:
Now before people get themselves all bent out of shape and run screaming into the night waving their arms and shouting that we'll never be able to counter the forces of Concord, which could be described as a lethal marionette force manipulated to this day by the influences of the Jovians themselves, to our great an everlasting detriment, I however will make a more positive appraisal.

Concord draws it's recruits from the four human empires, and is not at all loved by the capsuleer privateer alliances of null sec, so for all intents and purposes, we are Concord, and we have only to cut the influential strings of the fetid Jovians puppet masters to make the organization serve our greater goals and purposes.


Great, more Jovian conspiracy nonsense.

The Jove are either on the brink of extinction, or solved their problems and simply decided us primitive morons weren't worth the trouble of trying to uplift. Especially considering that every encounter they have had with us ended with us forcing them to hand over their technology, or trying to subjugate them.

If they were alive and /or as involved as you think they are, we would certainly know it.

Slaver Filth wrote:

I want to be clear as can be here, this is not a sales pitch, it is just an introduction to the inevitable, New Eden needs unification, and the Holy Amarr Empire is arguably the only human entity that could do it and maintain any sense of civilization in the process.


We don't need unification. Despite our problems we have been doing fairly well. There hasn't been a real crisis in thousands upon thousands of years. Your little reclaiming will fail and that's assuming it isn't struck down for being such a stupid idea first.

The people that want to join you will join out of their own will, and those that don't wish to be Amarr never will. Those that float inbetween are free to make their own decision on what they want.

Eitherway, New Eden will never be unified because it doesn't want to be unified. The Caldari just want to be kept to themselves, the Minmatar just want you to rend slavery, and us Gallente are only going to make you Gallente if you actually want to be. The Empire is literally the only nation that wants total domination, which really says a lot about you.
Indeed it does, we shoulder alone the burden of enforcing God's will, and from that we will not shirk.

I often wonder how pilots become so knowledgable about why and how people joined alliances they are not a member of, and then spin that notion into a self replicating fact. "we don't need unification." really means you don't want unification. Unless of course you are using the "royal WE" as a speaker for the sweltering masses? Guess I missed your coronation. Then there is the obvious inconsistency of "New Eden will never be unified because it doesn't want to be unified" I am part of New Eden and I want unification so your assertion is factually incorrect.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-09-26 22:45:15 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Indeed it does, we shoulder alone the burden of enforcing God's will, and from that we will not shirk.

I often wonder how pilots become so knowledgable about why and how people joined alliances they are not a member of, and then spin that notion into a self replicating fact. "we don't need unification." really means you don't want unification. Unless of course you are using the "royal WE" as a speaker for the sweltering masses? Guess I missed your coronation. Then there is the obvious inconsistency of "New Eden will never be unified because it doesn't want to be unified" I am part of New Eden and I want unification so your assertion is factually incorrect.


People only willingly unify with those who common goals, interests, beliefs, and in some cases, enemies as they do. Inner conflict is more deadly to an alliance than any possible outside threat.

The majority of New Eden do not share Amarr goals, interests, beliefs, and enemies. The majority of the time, it's the exact opposite. Even your closest allies, the Caldari, would rather die than be annexed into the Empire. Obviously the Minmatar share the same belief, and judging from how us Gallenteans act literally every time a foreign power lands on a Gallente planet, I can imagine we would respond the same way.

You can be butthurt and cry about it all you want, but you have failed at trying to take over the cluster and as each day goes by, the less likely you will succeed should you be braindead enough to try again.

Beautiful composition fallacy by the way.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#29 - 2013-09-27 03:24:41 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
Indeed it does, we shoulder alone the burden of enforcing God's will, and from that we will not shirk.

I often wonder how pilots become so knowledgable about why and how people joined alliances they are not a member of, and then spin that notion into a self replicating fact. "we don't need unification." really means you don't want unification. Unless of course you are using the "royal WE" as a speaker for the sweltering masses? Guess I missed your coronation. Then there is the obvious inconsistency of "New Eden will never be unified because it doesn't want to be unified" I am part of New Eden and I want unification so your assertion is factually incorrect.


People only willingly unify with those who common goals, interests, beliefs, and in some cases, enemies as they do. Inner conflict is more deadly to an alliance than any possible outside threat.

The majority of New Eden do not share Amarr goals, interests, beliefs, and enemies. The majority of the time, it's the exact opposite. Even your closest allies, the Caldari, would rather die than be annexed into the Empire. Obviously the Minmatar share the same belief, and judging from how us Gallenteans act literally every time a foreign power lands on a Gallente planet, I can imagine we would respond the same way.

You can be butthurt and cry about it all you want, but you have failed at trying to take over the cluster and as each day goes by, the less likely you will succeed should you be braindead enough to try again.

Beautiful composition fallacy by the way.
Sir the facts simply do not support parts of the argument you present. Clearly there has never been a mass suicide reported among the enslaved Matari so the Minmatar who for the most part are escaped or freed slaves chose slavery over death. The four human empires have a history of unified military action against the Sansha threat.

I would not bet against a unified effort against a new threat at some point in the future, however with the next conquest successfully executed by the Amarr Empire the point will become moot. Whichever two empires are left standing after the next Amarr conquest they will not even have the combined strength to then stop us, so the clock runs in our favor no matter how it plays out.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#30 - 2013-09-27 03:28:29 UTC
Andrea Okazon wrote:
Did your parents really name you that?
The universe is a cold cruel place .... lolBlink

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#31 - 2013-10-04 22:51:01 UTC
Positioned where I am on the extreme edge of Imperial space I am not prone to rely on their at best sketchy evaluation of the status of the entirety of New Eden, the Amarr Certified News and Scope are good sources for information on what has happened, but poor predictors of what is to come. I therefore have made great personal efforts to establish a network of real time sources in every security level of space, and the consistent buzz I am receiving is that Capsuleers are on the verge of making their preliminary steps to destabilize all four empires.

Outrageous you might think, impossible you might even utter, Concord would not allow it! But if the plucky Minmatar attack against the vaunted legendary power of Concord proved nothing else it showed their willingness to back down in the face of overwhelming force.
Quote:
YC 100: Early on June 10th, a combined Minmatar-Thukker fleet entered Yulai through an unknown cynosural network and assaulted the CONCORD Bureau Headquarters there. The attack disrupted CONCORD communications and eventually lead to the destruction of the station, eliminating CONCORD's ability to rapidly deploy across the cluster.

Concord is powerful when reacting to predictable levels of criminal activity in specific areas where they can rally their ships. But criminal elements of the non-empire aligned capsuleers have long manipulated the delayed reaction time within a system to perpetrate their criminal activities rendering Concord as a mere engine of retribution without any ability to stop the crime in progress.

Concord can not even prevent the annual assault on the largest trading hub in all of New Eden and the Caldari Navy makes no attempt at law enforcement in that situation, it's not something navies do well. Imagine if you will a concerted effort by capsuleers to get a piece of the action in every system by attacking Interbus customs offices. They are owned collectively by the empires, and yet not granted individual Naval support, for protection from criminals they depend on Concord, who can not be everywhere at once. With border warfare raging relentlessly do any of you think the empires will assign Navy ships to picket duty around every planet that has an Interbus customs office in orbit? Faced with engaging in a cluster wide conflict they could not win I propose Concord will fold, they will allow the capsuleer corps to exact their slice of the action, and save face by not waging a battle they would eventually lose.

According to my sources the next 60 to 180 days should prove me correct, lets wait and see. These actions further my initial hypothesis, soon we will have to recognize a Capsuleer Empire in New Eden.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-10-05 00:21:10 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Positioned where I am on the extreme edge of Imperial space I am not prone to rely on their at best sketchy evaluation of the status of the entirety of New Eden, the Amarr Certified News and Scope are good sources for information on what has happened, but poor predictors of what is to come. I therefore have made great personal efforts to establish a network of real time sources in every security level of space, and the consistent buzz I am receiving is that Capsuleers are on the verge of making their preliminary steps to destabilize all four empires.

Outrageous you might think, impossible you might even utter, Concord would not allow it! But if the plucky Minmatar attack against the vaunted legendary power of Concord proved nothing else it showed their willingness to back down in the face of overwhelming force.
Quote:
YC 100: Early on June 10th, a combined Minmatar-Thukker fleet entered Yulai through an unknown cynosural network and assaulted the CONCORD Bureau Headquarters there. The attack disrupted CONCORD communications and eventually lead to the destruction of the station, eliminating CONCORD's ability to rapidly deploy across the cluster.

Concord is powerful when reacting to predictable levels of criminal activity in specific areas where they can rally their ships. But criminal elements of the non-empire aligned capsuleers have long manipulated the delayed reaction time within a system to perpetrate their criminal activities rendering Concord as a mere engine of retribution without any ability to stop the crime in progress.

Concord can not even prevent the annual assault on the largest trading hub in all of New Eden and the Caldari Navy makes no attempt at law enforcement in that situation, it's not something navies do well. Imagine if you will a concerted effort by capsuleers to get a piece of the action in every system by attacking Interbus customs offices. They are owned collectively by the empires, and yet not granted individual Naval support, for protection from criminals they depend on Concord, who can not be everywhere at once. With border warfare raging relentlessly do any of you think the empires will assign Navy ships to picket duty around every planet that has an Interbus customs office in orbit? Faced with engaging in a cluster wide conflict they could not win I propose Concord will fold, they will allow the capsuleer corps to exact their slice of the action, and save face by not waging a battle they would eventually lose.

According to my sources the next 60 to 180 days should prove me correct, lets wait and see. These actions further my initial hypothesis, soon we will have to recognize a Capsuleer Empire in New Eden.


I'm interested as to whether you think a capsuleer revolution would weaken or strengthen CONCORD? I've heard similar rumblings when I dip into the political sphere (often, I do my best to keep my head low around the political crossfire in a system). With CONCORD tied so tightly to capsuleer politics, it remains to be seen whether capsuleers asserting their dominance will strengthen CONCORD's position over the other empires or weaken them as it relates to capsuleers.

Perhaps both or neither, as I say I try to make sure local authorities don't start considering me as a political entity. However, it would seem that if capsuleers begin to shake their chains and rattle their bonds, CONCORD could stand to gain and lose quite a bit depending on how they play the cards they have been dealt.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#33 - 2013-10-05 07:25:00 UTC
I think we are witnessing the rise of the non-empire based Capsuleers at the expense of Concord and the empires.

I interact with several of the Null sec capsuleer Alliances on a regular basis and they have little love for the empires and a lot of hostility towards Concord, they have a survival of the best fit mentality, and being hunted and hounded in high sec by Concord for their predation of the unprepared foolish inattentive pilots they feel they have every right to destroy in low sec or high sec annoys them greatly.

To a lot of them piracy, pillaging, and wanton destruction are good ways to spend a day, and the assets we hold would look great on their ledger of stolen, salvaged, or destroyed targets, they keep track of how many kills of ships they have and even have monthly contests to encourage higher totals.

The challenge of the coming decade will be in how they are integrated more equitably into high security space. Whereas the last ten years saw capsuleers slowly expand away from the high security space of the empires and grow in size and power, the next ten years will see them return stronger then when they left, battle hardened, and driven with conquest in mind. I fear absent a single dominant empire unifying New Eden like The Holy Amarr Empire should be working to become, instead of giving away our slaves, we are in for centuries of chaos and destruction on a scale that is concerning.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-10-11 02:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Slaver Filth wrote:
I think we are witnessing the rise of the non-empire based Capsuleers at the expense of Concord and the empires.

I interact with several of the Null sec capsuleer Alliances on a regular basis and they have little love for the empires and a lot of hostility towards Concord, they have a survival of the best fit mentality, and being hunted and hounded in high sec by Concord for their predation of the unprepared foolish inattentive pilots they feel they have every right to destroy in low sec or high sec annoys them greatly.

To a lot of them piracy, pillaging, and wanton destruction are good ways to spend a day, and the assets we hold would look great on their ledger of stolen, salvaged, or destroyed targets, they keep track of how many kills of ships they have and even have monthly contests to encourage higher totals.

The challenge of the coming decade will be in how they are integrated more equitably into high security space. Whereas the last ten years saw capsuleers slowly expand away from the high security space of the empires and grow in size and power, the next ten years will see them return stronger then when they left, battle hardened, and driven with conquest in mind. I fear absent a single dominant empire unifying New Eden like The Holy Amarr Empire should be working to become, instead of giving away our slaves, we are in for centuries of chaos and destruction on a scale that is concerning.


Well... with respect to the threat of non-empire based Capsuleers to the empires and stability of New Eden, I suppose even a stopped clock is right twice a day, much as it pains me to say so.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#35 - 2013-10-11 21:54:58 UTC
This is posted for those capsuleers that are unafraid to think on their own and do not always need the comfort of a crowd of simpering supplicants to kiss up to their every utterance. Bring your "A" game and exchange your point of view in a no holds barred mature adult fashion. Warning: Not for the whiny who can only dare say what they are told/ ordered to say.

As time progresses YC 116, YC 117 you will see The Holy Amarr Empire play a bigger and bigger role in the day to day events of all of New Eden, everyone in the cluster will be eventually united for the common good of humanity in accordance with the will of God as revealed in the Scriptures.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-10-12 07:13:26 UTC
I've only read through the scriptures and started seriously looking at the Amarr faith, but I am fairly sure that decrying the Empress is something they burn you for, right?
Also, your characterization of the CFC is woefully wrong.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#37 - 2013-10-13 00:14:10 UTC
My point of view of the CFC is from the outside. Someone involved would have a totally different perspective. I do not want to fire up the Goon haters, because there are many of them in capsuleer forums as we all know.

I do not see the CFC as cultural builders, as patrons of the fine arts, as an alliance dedicated to early child education or specific religious expression. They are I think rightfully viewed as brigands, as a growing flowing engine of despair that ravages all in it's path.

Not exactly the resume of heavily armed organized warriors most residents of the four human empires are anxious to let run wild and free in their home systems.

I think the recent lesson of Tibus Heth is fresh enough in everyone's mind of how a godless war driven leader seeking destruction can prove to be a total disaster for running an empire.

When someone does unify the Null Sec Capsuleers if the human empires are not prepared to repel them, anarchy will reign, and every ship that undocks will be in immediate danger everywhere in the cluster, and the markets will be brutally manipulated, piracy everywhere would become the norm.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-10-13 04:12:37 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
My point of view of the CFC is from the outside. Someone involved would have a totally different perspective. I do not want to fire up the Goon haters, because there are many of them in capsuleer forums as we all know.

I do not see the CFC as cultural builders, as patrons of the fine arts, as an alliance dedicated to early child education or specific religious expression. They are I think rightfully viewed as brigands, as a growing flowing engine of despair that ravages all in it's path.

Not exactly the resume of heavily armed organized warriors most residents of the four human empires are anxious to let run wild and free in their home systems.

I think the recent lesson of Tibus Heth is fresh enough in everyone's mind of how a godless war driven leader seeking destruction can prove to be a total disaster for running an empire.

When someone does unify the Null Sec Capsuleers if the human empires are not prepared to repel them, anarchy will reign, and every ship that undocks will be in immediate danger everywhere in the cluster, and the markets will be brutally manipulated, piracy everywhere would become the norm.


I can only assume you are speaking from ignorance. We have many artists: painters, singers, composers, poets. We not only build culture, it is are driving goal to ensure than our culture is strong. How could it be otherwise? An alliance with a weak or nonexistent culture will crumble.
As far as brigands, your perception is again wrong. Unlike other empires, we do not have any sort of official protection. We face a constant threat from other capsuleers, infiltration from spies. Our methods are harsh, but only because they must be. One mistake and our empire will fall. The Amarr had a mad empire once. So did Goons. However, our mad emperor destroyed the alliance and sentenced us to wonder in the desert.
Goons and the CFC alliances can be summed up thus: 'No better friend, no worse enemy."
If nullsec is united, the nature of the cluster will depend on the leader. A wise prince will ensure as near a utopia as possible for the denizens. A psychotic maniac along the lines of a Montolio (who I am convinced followed the teachings of the Sani Sabik) would spell doom.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#39 - 2013-10-13 05:33:37 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I can only assume you are speaking from ignorance. We have many artists: painters, singers, composers, poets. We not only build culture, it is are driving goal to ensure than our culture is strong. How could it be otherwise? An alliance with a weak or nonexistent culture will crumble.
As far as brigands, your perception is again wrong. Unlike other empires, we do not have any sort of official protection. We face a constant threat from other capsuleers, infiltration from spies. Our methods are harsh, but only because they must be. One mistake and our empire will fall. The Amarr had a mad empire once. So did Goons. However, our mad emperor destroyed the alliance and sentenced us to wonder in the desert.
Goons and the CFC alliances can be summed up thus: 'No better friend, no worse enemy."
If nullsec is united, the nature of the cluster will depend on the leader. A wise prince will ensure as near a utopia as possible for the denizens. A psychotic maniac along the lines of a Montolio (who I am convinced followed the teachings of the Sani Sabik) would spell doom.
We are then in agreement. Doom could come from the Null Sec Capsuleer empire depending on the leader.

I for one do not hurl rocks or invectives at the goonswarm federation, they are neighbors in my home region that borders Null Sec. I have not had extensive dealings with them beyond that of a merchant offering goods they required. Being in low sec we pay attention when any non-blue ship flies through so we don't have situations that tempt or encourage criminal activity.

Truth be told if you publicized your cultural aspects beyond combat skillfulness many might view you differently. The fall of Montolio and the scattering of his followers is indeed a good thing for the cluster. Are the homeless remnants of Test now engaging in warfare on behalf of the Caldari state?

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#40 - 2013-10-13 06:52:33 UTC
I can't believe you people haven't blocked this guy already and simply moved on. You do realize that by continuing to attempt engaging him in conversation that you're only playing into his hand and giving him the attention and legitimacy he so desperately craves, yes?

I don't know what he's been saying because I blocked him on the first day he appeared here following a series of unbelievable posts in which he claimed to be a Speaker of Truth or member of the Theology Council or some such nonsense. Based on what I saw that first day I've concluded that this person is delusional, biased in the extreme, prone to circular reasoning, hyperbole and just plain old trolling. Please stop responding to him so that he'll go away.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.