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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#101 - 2013-09-26 20:05:44 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.

also navigator didn't actually bother to check if they'd been honest in the past

... and you know this to be fact because?

I for one assume Navigator in fact did not read through somer's code and transaction history during the hours between the first announcement and this one.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2013-09-26 20:06:08 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.

You hear that? We should applaud T20! Gents, you heard it here first.
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2013-09-26 20:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Innominate
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.


What does Goonswarm need to do to get CCP sponsorship?
Cierra Royce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-09-26 20:06:18 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Does this mean that CCP do not consider the CSM as a body of players worth consulting in any meaningful way?


They do seem to have developed a recent track record of completely ignoring them until after the event.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2013-09-26 20:06:35 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.

so i assume you're in favor of my proposal to award goonswarm, a third party organization, equally massive benefits

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#106 - 2013-09-26 20:06:40 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits to a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.


not when the 3rd party site is an isk printing machine in its own right.
Dex Slim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-09-26 20:07:22 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development.

What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? Smile

Donating means giving your own money to something. If they take other players money and give to some cause, its not donating.
And if you look at how much they plan to "donate" and apply simple math and count how much they earned from this spike because of this development, you will see that profit is much larger than donation.

Dissapointed by that decision. This is just half-assed measures in order to calm the **** storm they caused by their own poor judgement.

PS. and dont compare Eve Radio to this casino thing. They are actually providing fan service and their primary goal is not making profit but to have fun.

People run events and lotteries all the time and donate the proceeds to other organizations (usually charities)... so I don't know why you think that taking outside currency and donating the proceeds is somehow unusual or unsavory. It is an EXTREMELY common practice. If your church runs a bake sale to fund their summer camp for needy children, and a bakery sponsors the event and provides a lot of the goods to be sold, you don't find that legitimate? Smile

CCP wants to start sponsoring more 3rd party sites and organizations, partially through providing unique prizes. I find that to be a good thing.


That's non-profit organizations. That's a HUGE difference, you've got the keyword right there, charities. SOMER is profit driven.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2013-09-26 20:07:32 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

... and you know this to be fact because?

because as an intelligent human being and someone familiar with ccp I know they didn't, and I also know if they did navigator would be mentioning it every other sentence

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#109 - 2013-09-26 20:07:42 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits to a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.


Not when that third party is competing within the game against other third parties, and not unless CCP audit everything and guarantee that not a single isk in profit is made as a result of their little give away
Dolph Carebear
Adohivatal
#110 - 2013-09-26 20:08:06 UTC
Somer is not a fansite, nor is it a community site. It's a seedy player organization that preys on idiots, admittedly very successfully. Why do they have to receive favoritism?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#111 - 2013-09-26 20:08:39 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.

You're reaching friend. Smile


What do you think somer blink is?

Trackable... just like everything you do, and everything I do. Yes, they can try to do anything they like... that doesn't mean there would not be repercussions from the community (and far more importantly from CCP) that would make the attempt EXTREMELY unwise.

This is a drop in the bucket compared to what condemnation from CCP would do to their business model. They would have to be inconceivably stupid to play games in this matter.

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Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2013-09-26 20:08:46 UTC
Even if Blink is 100% honest and trustworthy they shouldn't get handed incredibly valuable stuff in a hardcore pvp game that revolves around people fighting over stuff. If developer friends can get gifted resources on a whim that would make coalitions feel flush then it rather devalues everyone's efforts fighting for resources the hard way.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#113 - 2013-09-26 20:10:34 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

... and you know this to be fact because?

because as an intelligent human being and someone familiar with ccp I know they didn't, and I also know if they did navigator would be mentioning it every other sentence

I think, in this rare case, you are confusing the words believe and know.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-09-26 20:10:47 UTC
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

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Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#115 - 2013-09-26 20:11:00 UTC
BLerchg wrote:
i really hope that the CSM rips you a new one for showing this kind of blatant favorism


CSM is just like whitehouse.gov petitions. The illusion of control.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2013-09-26 20:11:24 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development.

What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? Smile

Donating means giving your own money to something. If they take other players money and give to some cause, its not donating.
And if you look at how much they plan to "donate" and apply simple math and count how much they earned from this spike because of this development, you will see that profit is much larger than donation.

Dissapointed by that decision. This is just half-assed measures in order to calm the **** storm they caused by their own poor judgement.

PS. and dont compare Eve Radio to this casino thing. They are actually providing fan service and their primary goal is not making profit but to have fun.

People run events and lotteries all the time and donate the proceeds to other organizations (usually charities)... so I don't know why you think that taking outside currency and donating the proceeds is somehow unusual or unsavory. It is an EXTREMELY common practice. If your church runs a bake sale to fund their summer camp for needy children, and a bakery sponsors the event and provides a lot of the goods to be sold, you don't find that legitimate? Smile

CCP wants to start sponsoring more 3rd party sites and organizations, partially through providing unique prizes. I find that to be a good thing.


Because its not an event. They are running business. And that decision from CCP doubled that business. And there is absolutely no control mechanisms that all those profits will be forwarded to prizes. It was only announced by them to give away tiny prizes. Comparing to actual cash they received.

This is like my church making baking event, and then donates 10% of profits, and the remaining 90% are spent on new car for the altar boy.

And with charity events there usually are mechanisms and audits to check that all money is donated. In this case, there is no such thing. I just have to trust online casino to be honest, lol.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#117 - 2013-09-26 20:11:44 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits to a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.


Not when that third party is competing within the game against other third parties, and not unless CCP audit everything and guarantee that not a single isk in profit is made as a result of their little give away

Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?

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Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-09-26 20:12:24 UTC
You know, if you think about it for a moment, the third party website Something Awful has done more for game subscriptions than any other site in EVE, ever. Will SA be getting a pile of stuff?

Bokononist

 
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2013-09-26 20:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaxix
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits to a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.


Not when that third party is competing within the game against other third parties, and not unless CCP audit everything and guarantee that not a single isk in profit is made as a result of their little give away

Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?

BIG, to name just one. Take your pick for more from here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=2938

Bokononist

 
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2013-09-26 20:13:15 UTC
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

He certainly needs to edit his sig slightly:
Quote:
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