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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#81 - 2013-09-26 19:57:09 UTC
I'm not entirely convinced the issue has been satisfactorily addressed, but I've got a Twitch stream to watch...

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-09-26 19:57:33 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Cavalira wrote:
Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:

Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items


Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different.

Specifying the proceeds are to be given away as tournament prizes does.


Why not skip the unreliable for-profit middleman and give them away as tournament prizes?


Apparently CCP feels they are reliable.

And CCP felt $1000 jeans were a good idea too.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-09-26 19:57:51 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/n72XLyb.png

Does this clear up doubt about this deal being hilariously beneficial for Somer?

You may see that exact same graph on their website under "Statistics." I'm sure Somer will enjoy raking at least twice the ISK he would otherwise make during the same time period, plus his kickbacks from Markee Dragon, in exchange for acting as a middleman for CCP and giving some dudes in Vegas some petty prizes.

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Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#84 - 2013-09-26 19:58:01 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Abernie wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development.

What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? Smile

No way to know if they are giving away all the profits. No way to know if the lottery if fair. And so on. Like has been said a few dozen times.

Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.

CCP has believed many things. Incarna being a good thing for the game was one of them. $60 monocles were another. T2 lotteries were yet another. So... Yea...
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-09-26 19:58:08 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
First :)


It´s not that the discussion is going on for half a day. And this is all that the CSM had to say?

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#86 - 2013-09-26 19:58:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/n72XLyb.png

Does this clear up doubt about this deal being hilariously beneficial for Somer?

You may see that exact same graph on their website under "Statistics." I'm sure Somer will enjoy raking at least twice the ISK he would otherwise make during the same time period, plus his kickbacks from Markee Dragon, in exchange for acting as a middleman for CCP and giving some dudes in Vegas some petty prizes.
oh but they are totally giving it all away man. It's cool! Roll
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2013-09-26 19:59:03 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-09-26 19:59:09 UTC
I find this an acceptable compromise for this particular event.

In the future, you should do these events yourself.

Advertise through the community sites using plex prizes as incentives leading up to the event itself.

I don't think it reasonable (nor in anyones best interests) to expect you NOT to give things away to private parties. But how and how much should be where we want to think carefully.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#89 - 2013-09-26 19:59:48 UTC
Samillian wrote:
I would still like a satisfactory explanation for the following:

1. Why was the CSM left completely out of the loop on this?

2. Why exactly has SOMER been handed a huge fortune?

3. Exactly how trust worthy is an organisation that feels it has the right to use its customers private details against them in a public thread?

Andrev Nox wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.


Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site?

Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :)


Original post.

I'm no fan of Poe but that is just wrong.


Missed this one. Good questions. Big smile
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2013-09-26 20:00:47 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.

also navigator didn't actually bother to check if they'd been honest in the past

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Josef Djugashvilis
#91 - 2013-09-26 20:01:15 UTC
Does this mean that CCP do not consider the CSM as a body of players worth consulting in any meaningful way?

This is not a signature.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#92 - 2013-09-26 20:02:04 UTC
Red Templar wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development.

What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? Smile

Donating means giving your own money to something. If they take other players money and give to some cause, its not donating.
And if you look at how much they plan to "donate" and apply simple math and count how much they earned from this spike because of this development, you will see that profit is much larger than donation.

Dissapointed by that decision. This is just half-assed measures in order to calm the **** storm they caused by their own poor judgement.

PS. and dont compare Eve Radio to this casino thing. They are actually providing fan service and their primary goal is not making profit but to have fun.

People run events and lotteries all the time and donate the proceeds to other organizations (usually charities)... so I don't know why you think that taking outside currency and donating the proceeds is somehow unusual or unsavory. It is an EXTREMELY common practice. If your church runs a bake sale to fund their summer camp for needy children, and a bakery sponsors the event and provides a lot of the goods to be sold, you don't find that legitimate? Smile

CCP wants to start sponsoring more 3rd party sites and organizations, partially through providing unique prizes. I find that to be a good thing.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#93 - 2013-09-26 20:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits of a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#94 - 2013-09-26 20:03:09 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.

You're reaching friend. Smile

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Kern Hotha
#95 - 2013-09-26 20:03:37 UTC
It seems that the best way to get official CCP support for a corporation is to create a gambling operation like BIG or Blink and then get players to lose trillions of isk while gambling; presumably leading to actual profit for CCP from increased PLEX sales by inveterate gambling losers. Perhaps I'm just being cynical, though.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#96 - 2013-09-26 20:03:38 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.

also navigator didn't actually bother to check if they'd been honest in the past

... and you know this to be fact because?

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2013-09-26 20:04:13 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Cursan Voran wrote:
Also, as someone who does not use somer blink, how do I get a chance at these giveaways?


You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry.


lol
if that only was a troll...

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Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2013-09-26 20:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Innominate
Ranger 1 wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.


CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.

From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.

You're reaching friend. Smile


What do you think somer blink is?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#99 - 2013-09-26 20:04:59 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits to a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.

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Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-09-26 20:05:12 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
also navigator didn't actually bother to check if they'd been honest in the past

details, details

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