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CCP reintroducing the Gold Magate and adding in new Guardian-Vexors through Somer Blink

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#261 - 2013-09-26 16:45:43 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Marlene Dakenek wrote:
Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique.


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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2013-09-26 16:48:06 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Marlene Dakenek wrote:
Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique.


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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#263 - 2013-09-26 16:48:36 UTC
It seems like a really really bad idea. I love unique content and why is because it is unique!! Make new unique stuff, don't mess up stuff already there. Didn't you watch the "Incredibles" CCP, "if everyone is super then no one is!!"

Also CCP, giving a player corp a free isk machine is beyond a bad idea, at least make it look like you had to earn your isk machine like the moons!

Sad sad sad CCP. But if you are committed to free isks for corps, I'd like to point out Tada O is a very old and trusted corp in Eve, please just deposit our free rare swag in our museum hangar in Olo and I'll personally make sure it goes to the most worthy players in Eve at my earliest convenience! P

Issler
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#264 - 2013-09-26 16:51:56 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

In the case of the Gold Magnate there are no more left in game, so what exactly is the value of a non-existent ship?Blink

I am disappointed in you Ranger 1. For someone whom loves EVE as much as you do I figured you would be displeased at this in particular.

The Gold Magnate is one of the best stories in EVE, that there once was a gold ship so valuable that they only made one just for it to be destroyed in a regular gate camp. It is something to want but never again own or grace our space again and one of the best pieces of EVE history, one that captivated me more then any other "special ship". Now it is being trounced out for a simple lottery...

The Gold Magnate had its time in the sun, if there was but 1 ship for CCP to let it be it is this one. Let the story of the Gold Magnate remain a great EVE legend forever, not with an *Also release in random lottery.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that if a ship is specifically announced to be a "one time only, limited run" then CCP needs to stick to that. I don't like players finding hard won treasures devalued. This is not to be confused with a "special edition", which they are technically within their rights to produce again at a later date.

But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.

I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.

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Jaangel
Tectu
#265 - 2013-09-26 16:53:10 UTC
Sonmer blink being given anything is offensive but giving him something like a gold magnate really takes the biscuit.

He is the biggest cruck in eve and should be banned not given more publicity
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2013-09-26 16:54:14 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.


No, this is for "community engagement". All blink ISK goes to SOMER, all items go to the players. They could just rip off CCP and CCP could do absolutely nothing.

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Phoenus
Doomheim
#267 - 2013-09-26 16:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenus
CCP Goliath wrote:
Hehe, how fitting that I should read this after posting about favouritism in a different thread. My personal take on it is this (note, this is not something we have discussed within the team): Events should be their own reward, but there are certain events that render a large impact on people and for these I do think there should be some kind of memento. An Imperial Apoc is NOT a mememto Lol

Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc.


No ingame ships for events, but giving away ships for lotteries to earn ISK for a third party to CCP is apparently fine
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#268 - 2013-09-26 16:55:29 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.


And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should.

:CCP:
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#269 - 2013-09-26 17:01:14 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.


And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should.

:CCP:

Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea.

Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK.

Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting.

Really, think about it folks.

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Alara IonStorm
#270 - 2013-09-26 17:03:19 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.

What kind of story for this ship is random lottery. All it does is make it lose its legend, that is all. It immediately drops from the most unique ship to just another prize.

They can repaint any new hull or they can give away something else but this, this kills the legend and gains nothing in return. CCP can and should do better than this. They should work to improve EVE History because that is what sets this game apart, one server, one history.

You summed up the new place of the Gold Magnate in EVE history perfectly.

Ranger 1 wrote:
1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever

Whatever indeed.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#271 - 2013-09-26 17:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Canary Jnr
Worst idea all year.

Heritage.
Rare/ extinct ships should not be thrown out willy nilly, in fact they shouldn't be recreated at all. Once CCP destroys the player built history of the ships they cannot reclaim it. I remember reading about the imperial apocs and that guy who lost it in the AT and started a war over it. You cannot make this stuff up, but you can devalue it. What is gonna happen with these new golden magnates/ guardian vexors? They will be moth balled in high sec and never undocked. GG CCP, GG.

Somer blink.
Somer is rich enough to buy their own prizes, they don't need CCPs help and already have a community spotlight. Content created: zero. If CCP feels such a need to trash the history of the ships then they should at least do it in a content creating way. Have a RP storyline, give one to the tuskers for a frig FFA/ death race prize, have an exploration contest to find a 'lost golden magnate'.Anything else would be more fun and have the 'i was there' factor, but somer blink, aka. person with lots of isk wins? What a joke.

Oh and that dev post CCP? So bad. I have been playing for just over a year and i don't want to own one of these ships. I would rather they stayed dead and rare.

First time playing eve that i feel like unsubbing an account or 2.
Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#272 - 2013-09-26 17:07:34 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Marlene Dakenek wrote:
Whoever makes these decisions has obviously never played this game before. Unique ships should remain unique.


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Think I may have just threw up in my mouth a bit.
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#273 - 2013-09-26 17:07:41 UTC
Phoenus wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Hehe, how fitting that I should read this after posting about favouritism in a different thread. My personal take on it is this (note, this is not something we have discussed within the team): Events should be their own reward, but there are certain events that render a large impact on people and for these I do think there should be some kind of memento. An Imperial Apoc is NOT a mememto Lol

Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc.


No ingame ships for events, but giving away ships for lotteries to earn ISK for a third party to CCP is apparently fine


Interesting to see what CCP gives as explanation, too bad they probably stay silent and hope it blows over :(

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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#274 - 2013-09-26 17:08:09 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.


And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should.

:CCP:

Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea.

Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK.

Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting.

Really, think about it folks.

"destroy their credibility" . . . said every AWOXer, ever.

"lucrative long term income stream" . . . said every RMTer, ever.

You don't really play EVE, do you? Not to mention the fact that SOMER undoubtedly has enough isk tsocked away o lose a supercap every day for years and still be able to PLEX as many accounts as he wants until the new millenium.

Actually, ignore all that. I am telling you, right now, that I have never stolen from a corp. Can I join yours?

I am not an alt of Chribba.

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#275 - 2013-09-26 17:09:18 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

I do think people need to remember that the ISK generated is being turned around and funding prizes for the competitions at EVE Vega, not simply going into Blinks wallet.


And since it will not be possible to know how much isk was normal blink operation and how much was just because of that auction, then somer can basicly give any amount of money and noone will ever be able to prove they didn't give all they should.

:CCP:

Oh, I think CCP will have a pretty good idea.

Sure, they could keep it all... and destroy their credibility with CCP and with the community in an incredibly high profile way. They would be literally chucking away their lucrative long term income stream for a (comparatively) tiny amount of ISK.

Granted, they would have a certain notoriety afterwards which might appeal to some, but I have a hard time believing they would be so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to do what people are suggesting.

Really, think about it folks.


Except they could give 50 billion ISK for EVE vegas and still turn on a ******** profit. Nobody really know what kind of income this will really generate for them so they can give any non stupid amount and call it that. Nobody can track what was invested in blinks because of this draft as opposed to the real regular operation. They don't have to burn thier rep at all. THey can just say it generated X isk so we are giving that even if in reality it generated 10 times that.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#276 - 2013-09-26 17:12:06 UTC
Story wise, why would the ship yards reproduce these ships?

I don't see a problem with it providing the ships are released in a limited order.
Bryg Philomena
L.G. FUAD
#277 - 2013-09-26 17:12:52 UTC
Not someone who often posts on the forums, but I think this is a terrible idea. Absolutely horrible.

Eve was magical in that certain people had incredibly rare ships. Adding 2 new golden magnates isn't going to really change their rarity, but its going to completely destroy the legend. I remember first hearing about the magnate and trying to think how I could get one, then realizing it was gone. Forever.

Its a harsh thing in eve, to lose something. But that is what makes Eve so unique from other games. When something is gone, its gone forever. Never to return. Now, all I can tell newbies is "Wait until some new eve event, CCP might bring it back?" Hell no! It should be that they missed their chance and that they should go for a new unique ship.

CCP, you're adding ships to the game for the Alliance tourney, those are awesome and can only be won in the tourney. I know developing a new ship takes time and effort. You have to think of balancing, designing, implementing, testing, etc. But either make something new for this event, or give out something that wasn't a one off.

And while I'm on the topic of one off ships. I want to see more of them. 50 hulls for an alliance tourney is cool, but why not an event that gives other hulls in smaller amounts?
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#278 - 2013-09-26 17:16:37 UTC
So bad and terrible or more horrible this all is, the day isnĀ“t over yet. More bad News incoming @2000

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#279 - 2013-09-26 17:25:00 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

But restricting it simply for the sake of LORE... no, no necessarily a fan of that. Lore continually grows and changes, and I've always been fond of the "It was thought there was only 1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever... but another has been found gathering DUST in a hidden hanger owned by the original designer" type of story line.

What kind of story for this ship is random lottery. All it does is make it lose its legend, that is all. It immediately drops from the most unique ship to just another prize.

They can repaint any new hull or they can give away something else but this, this kills the legend and gains nothing in return. CCP can and should do better than this. They should work to improve EVE History because that is what sets this game apart, one server, one history.

You summed up the new place of the Gold Magnate in EVE history perfectly.

Ranger 1 wrote:
1 prototype ever made of this legendary whatever

Whatever indeed.

Fair point, they would probably have been served better to distinguish it from the original somehow... such as calling in the Golden Magnate Mark II or something along that line.

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Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
CAStabouts
#280 - 2013-09-26 17:25:17 UTC
Terribad idea, period.