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CCP reintroducing the Gold Magate and adding in new Guardian-Vexors through Somer Blink
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Mildew Wolf
#141 - 2013-09-26 13:23:40 UTC
smh ccp
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2013-09-26 13:23:40 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
CCP gives prizes to support all sorts of player-run events. This is not ground-breaking.

3+2 new copies of rare ships is not going to ruin the game.

Personally I look forward to taking a shot at winning a Guardian Vexor.

Hell Eve-Vegas itself is a player-organized event. Why not ***** and moan about CCP sending devs out to support it and spending valuable money and time that could be used developing features!

Roll

Well nobody would care if it was CCP giving out the prizes.

But its not them. CCP gives prizes to someone else, and then that someone else distributes them via lottery (that could be rigged apparently) making huge amounts of ingame money on the way. They will donate fraction of that money as tournament prizes, so apparently that makes it "Ok" in CCP books. Even though amount of money they will make is not comparable to amount donated.

And apparently this kind of gesture from CCP can be considered as endorsement or support for that gambling site.
So if at any point, that site will be rigged or it turns out that people are scammed, then its also CCP fault.

The way i see it, i can go play few blinks now, lose cash, and then create petition for CCP. BEcause i trusted that site based on CCP giving them gifts to distribute, and now i have feeling that its a scam. And they should audit it.

And its my opinion, that even if the single isk made from those ships, or a ship is not distributed to players as prizes, all organizers of somer blink should be perma banned and all transactions reversed. Because CCP giving players item or isk, or anyway contributing and helping them making isk, is a big nono.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#143 - 2013-09-26 13:29:31 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
I can see the difference, but CCP gave prizes to the Big Lottery for their anniversary. I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but that one is pretty similar in terms of a money-generating gambling site. Where was the outrage then?


This completely dwarfs that, by leaps and bounds.

War Kitten wrote:
I'm not sure what the cost of running the EVE Vegas event has to do with anything, but thanks for the info.


Because you brought up CCP attending EVE Vegas and promoting it?

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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2013-09-26 13:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Agata Matahari
The Antiquarian wrote:
Agata Matahari wrote:
Let's face the truth. There will be only 2 Goldmagnates and 4 x Guardian Vexors. At the end ISK is the deciding aspect. Some ultraspacerich guys/collectors (chribba, entity etc.) will buy almost all tickets and win, or the average pilot wins one of those rare ships and sells it for some billions (trillions) to another superspacerich collector. Finally, the ships are as rare as before, and will collect dust in hangars like the others. So will the Goldmagnates. Never seen again... Lol


Do you not realize that this would usher in the era where CCP hands out once unique ships to third parties like AOL Trial-Disk at the supermarket?

This is another spit on the face at the "collecting profession." When I started playing EVE, I loved the aspect of having ownership over these beautiful pixel ships with definite quantities in the market. There are those who spent thousands of hours to accumulate wealth (or spent thousands of dollars in cash for PLEX purchase), just to own these truly unique ships. Now that CCP is planning to print these unique ships like AOL Trial disks, preexisting owners will incur substantial loss as they see the market value of these ships go down.

Collecting unique items and seeing my "pixel investments" grow brought me ultimate joy years ago. Ever since the advent of handing out once-unique-items freely by CCP Marketing department, now, I am not even sure what to collect. I play this game with constant fear that whatever I bought will see their market value plunge due to CCP minting more ships.

I stopped collecting any "unique" items that were issued from 2009 and up. Please do not touch old unique ships that have standings in EVE history.


I understand your concerns, but it's only 4 gvex and 2 Goldies. I am sure entity would pay only for the goldies some trillions of isk. So there is no drop in market value, so there isn't with 4 more gvexes. The problem is SOMER, they are a capitalist mafia.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-09-26 13:36:02 UTC
Gold Magnates don't actually have a "market value" because up until now there have been no extant hulls since 2004.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#146 - 2013-09-26 13:37:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
I can see the difference, but CCP gave prizes to the Big Lottery for their anniversary. I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but that one is pretty similar in terms of a money-generating gambling site. Where was the outrage then?


This completely dwarfs that, by leaps and bounds.

War Kitten wrote:
I'm not sure what the cost of running the EVE Vegas event has to do with anything, but thanks for the info.


Because you brought up CCP attending EVE Vegas and promoting it?


I brought that up because its the caliber of complaints we typically see in GD. I was just being facetious.

I wonder about the somerblink link as well, but there is precedent in them giving prizes to player organizations to give out. It's their problem if it goes awry, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if it does. CCP gonna CCP.

Again, personally I would just love to have a Guardian-Vexor and like the idea of a couple more being out there. Perhaps the solution is to rename these new copies to appease the rarity and history buffs?

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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2013-09-26 13:37:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Gold Magnates don't actually have a "market value" because up until now there have been no extant hulls since 2004.


It will be some trillions. ;)
Aiseth Devona
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-09-26 13:38:14 UTC
Give them away in a way that doesnt have cash pouring into somer blink is pretty much the only sane answer.

If somer have these for free essentially any profit they make off this is CCP favouritism. Doesnt matter if they make the isk anyway. Imagine if Goonswarm ran a lottery website and CCP gave them to us to then dole in a lottery. The entire community would be all Grrr goons.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2013-09-26 13:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Agata Matahari wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Agata Matahari wrote:
Let's face the truth. There will be only 2 Goldmagnates and 4 x Guardian Vexors. At the end ISK is the deciding aspect. Some ultraspacerich guys/collectors (chribba, entity etc.) will buy almost all tickets and win, or the average pilot wins one of those rare ships and sells it for some billions (trillions) to another superspacerich collector. Finally, the ships are as rare as before, and will collect dust in hangars like the others. So will the Goldmagnates. Never seen again... Lol


Do you not realize that this would usher in the era where CCP hands out once unique ships to third parties like AOL Trial-Disk at the supermarket?

This is another spit on the face at the "collecting profession." When I started playing EVE, I loved the aspect of having ownership over these beautiful pixel ships with definite quantities in the market. There are those who spent thousands of hours to accumulate wealth (or spent thousands of dollars in cash for PLEX purchase), just to own these truly unique ships. Now that CCP is planning to print these unique ships like AOL Trial disks, preexisting owners will incur substantial loss as they see the market value of these ships go down.

Collecting unique items and seeing my "pixel investments" grow brought me ultimate joy years ago. Ever since the advent of handing out once-unique-items freely by CCP Marketing department, now, I am not even sure what to collect. I play this game with constant fear that whatever I bought will see their market value plunge due to CCP minting more ships.

I stopped collecting any "unique" items that were issued from 2009 and up. Please do not touch old unique ships that have standings in EVE history.


I understand your concerns, but it's only 4 gvex and 2 Goldies. I am sure entity would pay only for the goldies some trillions of isk. So there is no drop in market value, so there isn't with 4 more gvexes. The problem is SOMER, they are a capitalist mafia.


Can you really not see what is going on here? Who says CCP will stop from here? After this event, handing out these unique ships will become the norm and every lotteries will be flooding historically unique ships in the near future.

Do collectors seriously have to live in constant fear that their "collection" that is comprised of thousands of hours of sweat, tears, and $ (PLEX Purchase) will diminish in value upon whim of CCP's amazing Marketing Department?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-09-26 13:40:45 UTC
The sensible (CCP, sensible, looool) solution would have been to give a few unissued avatar apparel bits to the winners of the PvP tournament and 30 day GTCs to participants, not pumping mad ISK and RL money into a player's wallet.

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Darkhen
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2013-09-26 13:40:54 UTC
yeah this is blatant favoritism from CCP. I do not approve
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2013-09-26 13:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Agata Matahari
@ Antiquarian

That's a point I have to agree. Look at Q7 from dev post. Makes me nervous.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2013-09-26 13:43:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
The sensible (CCP, sensible, looool) solution would have been to give a few unissued avatar apparel bits to the winners of the PvP tournament and 30 day GTCs to participants, not pumping mad ISK and RL money into a player's wallet.


...... and at the same time, devaluing collectors' net worth who toiled for thousands of hours (or spent thousands of dollars in PLEX purchase).
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
#154 - 2013-09-26 13:45:25 UTC
While I appreciate that these rare ships are spawned again and thus there's a higher chance to see them, I really dislike the way it is handled.

Basically this is giving Somer Blink exclusive access to a very rare item and even if they don't cheat while giving them out (they'd be stupid to do that) the increased traffic and new ISK income basically is a free gift from CCP.

And then calling a lottery "philantropic". If you believe they are doing this at a loss I have a nice star system to sell you.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#155 - 2013-09-26 13:49:56 UTC
Yeah, who cares about the stupid ships? It's the continued favoritism to marginal in-game entities that is troublesome. Blink is a cool passtime while you wait to do stuff ingame, but people don't play eve to play Blink. How about developing better content-creating mechanics so there's less downtime between fun things that then need to be filled with imaginary gambling?

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Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2013-09-26 13:51:15 UTC
If I setup a successful and legit business for long enough do I get free stuff too?

I'll run it all fair and square till I get my T2 BPOs.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#157 - 2013-09-26 13:52:19 UTC
As much as it is horribly bad devaluing unique items by adding more to the game, the concept that CCP can't run their own random number generator and has to rely on Somer-Blink is beyond the pale.

Tell me CCP, precisely how difficult is it to make a list of every active account the day before a lottery (AND DON'T PUBLICIZE THE DATE!!!), apply a number to that account, starting at 1. Then run a random number generator, and then whatever number that comes up, that account wins whatever prize was being drawn for?

Precisely, how is this impossible?

You want to introduce stuff into the game (which in and of itself is a terrible idea)?
That is the most fair way.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#158 - 2013-09-26 13:53:09 UTC
Total disbelief!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#159 - 2013-09-26 13:55:17 UTC
Pytria Le'Danness wrote:
And then calling a lottery "philantropic". If you believe they are doing this at a loss I have a nice star system to sell you.


Yeah that's a ******* riot. I've never heard of a car dealership being called ~philanthropic~ for running contests where you can win a TV by walking right into the middle of their showroom, filling out a form while some guy tries to sell you an SUV.

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2013-09-26 13:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Dear CCP,

I am getting married on October 12th. As I progress through the next stage of my life, I decided to give up all my gaming needs by quitting the following games:

SWTOR (spent thousands on Cartel market)
WoW (subscribed since 1st day of the game with all the CE edition and thousands spent on promotion codes )
Diablo 3 (hundreds of dollars spent on AH)
STO (spent thousands on ZEN)

But there is one game that I left subscribed because I sincerely believed that it was the most elegant game in the whole world, ran by the best gaming company in the whole world; EVE Online.

Just like hundreds of others, we started this game because the prospect of "collecting" and seeing our fruits of labor rise in value, brought immense joy.

I am getting married on October 12th. Do I now have to live in constant fear that all my hard work and money spent, will go down the drain as you, CCP, let your amazing Marketing Department dictate all the promotions? I understand that this is more of a personal plea, but this is how desperate we are.

Please heed our pleas. Please don't do this.