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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#221 - 2013-09-25 23:47:57 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I think generally goons don't care about the tmc comments, though some posting superstars (and the moderators) will dive into that terrible pit. It's even worse than eveo general discussion, which say a lot



Cant be worse than Kugu.

No one will argue against that.

Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#222 - 2013-09-25 23:53:48 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I think generally goons don't care about the tmc comments, though some posting superstars (and the moderators) will dive into that terrible pit. It's even worse than eveo general discussion, which say a lot

Cant be worse than Kugu.

Well thanks for reminding me...

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Salome Musashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#223 - 2013-09-26 03:30:28 UTC
We had our chance during the Fountain war, but couldn't pull it off.

Now that all hope is lost, our High Command and top FCs are quietly stealing alliance assets in preparation for defection to Goonwaffe. (I heard they'll let you in for 500m, but a director seat is a lot more)

Goons will overrun the map a month after that.

I for one will be among the first to bow before our new overlord, Mad King Mittens.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#224 - 2013-09-26 03:36:36 UTC
Don't worry sirmolle, evolution and finfleet joined ncdot

Sadly, to be sure of their help fufilling your coalition's purpose for being formed you gotta make sure there isn't action convenient located elsewhere other than in front of the steamroller

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#225 - 2013-09-26 03:40:58 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


Arh, so in other words so long as its on the internet it is fine to be racist, sexist and homophobic.

So as far as you are concerned it would be absolutely fine to lets say bully, mock, degrade a person at every opportunity because they have a different colour skin to you so long as its on the internet.

Gotcha


Since this is obviously a serious concern of yours, I will say that I am a goon who does not care for the racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic utterances that are occasionally heard on comms. However, because I am not autistic, I am aware of the context in which language occurs and the intentions of the speaker, and so I am able to perceive that these kinds of comments are not used to express actual racist, homophobic, sexist, or transphobic beliefs, or to actually attack people for their race, sex, orientation, or cis/trans gender identity. They are used as part of a sense of humor that deliberately tries to be offensive as possible, to the point of mocking the words that are used by using them in such a ridiculous fashion. To me, that does not make these comments good or justify them, and I do wish they would stop, but it does make them not nearly as bad as you are trying to make them out to be in your posting.

As in all things, it's necessary to strike a balance or make a trade-off when values come into conflict. I put up with occasional deliberately ironic use of triggering words, which I still believe is harmful and I do not engage in myself, because it's the downside of a culture that is overall vastly superior to the alternative. I mean, do you hear how you pubbies talk? Do you read your posts on these forums? Take, for example, the way you "took issue" in a most contrived fashion with the very matter at hand. You know full well what's going on with the language here, but you strip the facts of their context in a deliberate fashion in order to paint things in a significantly worse light in a breathtaking act of intellectual dishonesty. I would much prefer outright offensive behavior without pretense, than this sort of cowardly linguistic aggression.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#226 - 2013-09-26 03:44:53 UTC
Look at you trying to defend goons

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#227 - 2013-09-26 03:48:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Look at you trying to defend goons


I am white knighting literally the worst people.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#228 - 2013-09-26 03:48:42 UTC
uhhh...best eve-o post ever?

god damn, that's gotta hurt

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Prince Kobol
#229 - 2013-09-26 06:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#230 - 2013-09-26 09:21:30 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)


Context is everything.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2013-09-26 09:33:26 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Arh, so in other words so long as its on the internet it is fine to be racist, sexist and homophobic.

So as far as you are concerned it would be absolutely fine to lets say bully, mock, degrade a person at every opportunity because they have a different colour skin to you so long as its on the internet.

Gotcha


Since this is obviously a serious concern of yours, I will say that I am a goon who does not care for the racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic utterances that are occasionally heard on comms. However, because I am not autistic, I am aware of the context in which language occurs and the intentions of the speaker, and so I am able to perceive that these kinds of comments are not used to express actual racist, homophobic, sexist, or transphobic beliefs, or to actually attack people for their race, sex, orientation, or cis/trans gender identity. They are used as part of a sense of humor that deliberately tries to be offensive as possible, to the point of mocking the words that are used by using them in such a ridiculous fashion. To me, that does not make these comments good or justify them, and I do wish they would stop, but it does make them not nearly as bad as you are trying to make them out to be in your posting.

As in all things, it's necessary to strike a balance or make a trade-off when values come into conflict. I put up with occasional deliberately ironic use of triggering words, which I still believe is harmful and I do not engage in myself, because it's the downside of a culture that is overall vastly superior to the alternative. I mean, do you hear how you pubbies talk? Do you read your posts on these forums? Take, for example, the way you "took issue" in a most contrived fashion with the very matter at hand. You know full well what's going on with the language here, but you strip the facts of their context in a deliberate fashion in order to paint things in a significantly worse light in a breathtaking act of intellectual dishonesty. I would much prefer outright offensive behavior without pretense, than this sort of cowardly linguistic aggression.


Holy ****, the most intelligent and profound post in this entire topic had to come from a Goon!



Suddenly life just seems confusing and scary....

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2013-09-26 09:35:21 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)

You cannot honestly believe the stuff you are saying here yourself.

And if you do: You must get invited to -ALL- the parties!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Prince Kobol
#233 - 2013-09-26 09:44:40 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)

You cannot honestly believe the stuff you are saying here yourself.

And if you do: You must get invited to -ALL- the parties!


So welcome to Eve Online, where somebody calling another people a j*w n****r is fine so long as your "joking"
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2013-09-26 10:04:14 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)

You cannot honestly believe the stuff you are saying here yourself.

And if you do: You must get invited to -ALL- the parties!


So welcome to Eve Online, where somebody calling another people a j*w n****r is fine so long as your "joking"


Well personally I think n****r j*w sounds better than j*w n****r, but I guess those are semantics.

Hope you are enjoying your stay thus far!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Prince Kobol
#235 - 2013-09-26 10:12:15 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)

You cannot honestly believe the stuff you are saying here yourself.

And if you do: You must get invited to -ALL- the parties!


So welcome to Eve Online, where somebody calling another people a j*w n****r is fine so long as your "joking"


Well personally I think n****r j*w sounds better than j*w n****r, but I guess those are semantics.

Hope you are enjoying your stay thus far!


Hell Yeah Big smile
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2013-09-26 10:28:09 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
...

Damn forums eat my original post..

Was going to say that trying to defend this kind of language by passing of it as humor is pretty sad.

This often used by bullies in school class rooms.

Bullies often make the most offensive jokes they can making sure their victim can hear them but never directing the joke at them. That way they can use the excuse of "We were just joking and we didn't know they could hear us"

Also why try and insult somebody who is against the use of this language in any context?

Lets give an example.

You are in a airport waiting lounge which is full of people.

There is a group of people using very offensive racist, sexist and homophobic language and they appear to be laughing.

Most people can hear them.

Using your excuse this is fine because it is obvious they are just joking and if people take offense then I suppose they must be "autistic" as you put it.

Also judging by your reaction to my post, i.e calling me "autistic" because you believe using this language is "not as bad" because its humor, I can imagine what the reaction would be if somebody actually did take real offense at what was being said.

Something tells there wouldn't be an apology :)


I am not defending this kind of language. I stated very clearly that I do not like it. I'm only saying that it's not as bad as you are making it out to be. Saying that theft is not as bad as murder is not a defense of theft. Use of ironic racism in comms chitchat is not as bad as an alliance full of people whose names and bios contain numerous white supremacist references, or as bad as a CSM candidate who openly expressed white supremacist views, or as bad as a company that actively suppressed the discussion of either of these matters by people who were concerned about them on its forums. But you were there for that, weren't you? You ate an Eve forums ban for refusing to stop pointing them out, like I did, right? You're not just pretending to care about things like this as a way to bash goons, are you? Right?

Also, I did not call you autistic. I said that because I am not autistic, I am aware of context. A well known aspect of autism is the inability to grasp social context, and I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for people who suffer from this condition. For the record, though, I do not think you are autistic, because if you were, you would not be able to engage in the deliberate context dropping that your concern trolling requires. This same thing, however, is a common feature of "internet autism" exhibited by people engaging in intellectually dishonest context dropping on forums.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#237 - 2013-09-26 11:10:15 UTC
Some amazing high-level trolling going on here on all sides

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Prince Kobol
#238 - 2013-09-26 12:17:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Some amazing high-level trolling going on here on all sides


Well it is the Eve Forums Big smile
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#239 - 2013-09-26 12:54:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Some amazing high-level trolling going on here on all sides

Well it is the Eve Forums Big smile

pmuch

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#240 - 2013-09-26 14:27:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
... a very large percentage of real life corporations are run by sociopaths,...


Yeah, no.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.