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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2013-09-25 16:55:43 UTC
Security through obscurity is the best one can hope for with baseliner associates and family.

That said, Oniseki-Charantes-haani, I wonder as to whether one would outlive one's children, as a capsuleer. If the children inherit the capsuleer's genetic advantage, it's entirely possible that capsuleer lineages will arise. Given millenia or eons, it's possible that this very significant genetic advantage may result in selection and speciation. I wonder whether the path we've selected will lead to this first, or to the quiet grave of the Sleepers as cloned capsuleers eventually become more infomorph than biological being.

I digress.

More importantly, Kaassan-haan, good fortune if you decide to follow that path. And likewise to you, Tuulinen-haan; I suspect you'll be a good and dutiful father.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#22 - 2013-09-25 17:19:06 UTC
Threatening kids now? Man Isis, why so edgy and dark? It's not a very impressive thing...
....seriously you dumb ****, get over yourself.

As for the OP! That's a thing only you can answer. None of us know your life or mind so itd be hard to say if you'd be a good dad or not. Like other's said, set your criteria, see if you meet it. Personally, i think a good father i always patient, always there for his kid, and is always a steady rock of an example to take a lead from.

In other words, not me. See? Easy! Now you try.

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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#23 - 2013-09-25 17:27:07 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Threatening kids now? Man Isis, why so edgy and dark? It's not a very impressive thing...
....seriously you dumb ****, get over yourself.

As for the OP! That's a thing only you can answer. None of us know your life or mind so itd be hard to say if you'd be a good dad or not. Like other's said, set your criteria, see if you meet it. Personally, i think a good father i always patient, always there for his kid, and is always a steady rock of an example to take a lead from.

In other words, not me. See? Easy! Now you try.


I won't stop, not while people purposely ignore the dangers of space and the hate that is out there for their kind. You'll thank me one day.

Am I personally going to be the one to do something to your children? Probably not, I've got enough stuff of my plate. But that's not what needs to be heard.

My childhood was destroyed by that hate, that carelessness. Being the daughter of a freedom fighter isn't the exact same as a capsuleer... but it is dangerously close in many ways.

I'd rather not see that happen to anyone else, even if that requires me putting on the face of evil.

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Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2013-09-25 17:44:28 UTC
I laugh because my children are very well cared for. I love them beyond all reason and only a very select few know where I have them living. Automatically assuming we all endanger our children is downright disrespectful, Isis. Not all parents are as careless as yours were.

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Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#25 - 2013-09-25 19:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
I laugh because my children are very well cared for. I love them beyond all reason and only a very select few know where I have them living. Automatically assuming we all endanger our children is downright disrespectful, Isis. Not all parents are as careless as yours were.


Being public about your children as a capsuleer is endangering them.

Especially where over half of this board (possibly including me) is your enemy.

This isn't disrespectful, this is a reality check.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-09-25 20:37:32 UTC
Ms. Dea does have a point. This cluster isn't a nice place overall, and if you have serious enemies you can bet they will try to harm your children if they are given the opportunity.

Though I would have to disagree with her regarding whether or not to have children. You won't be able to have a "normal" family by any means. It would be something much closer to that of the families of world leaders. Armed guards everywhere, roads being shut down just for your kid to visit friends, agents taste testing your child's birthday cake before they can have a bite, assembling and reassembling your families toys and gadgets to check for explosives, all sorts of precautions. If you have a girl, you can bet the boyfriend will be getting interrogated.

It's certainly possible to have a happy and successful family as a capsuleer, many of us do. But keep in mind you'll have to either drop off the face of universe and change your identity completely to keep your family safe, or have extreme and often excessive security measures.

Of course, this is dependent on your line of work. I wouldn't imagine you would have too many serious enemies if you just fly around in a mining barge and build stuff, but if you fight other capsuleers, slaughter pirates for profit, have a major business or political agenda, then you will certainly have many enemies.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#27 - 2013-09-25 21:58:40 UTC
If you decide to become a father consider carefully the doom your potential family may inherit.

They will always be at peril from those who wish you harm.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-09-25 23:09:31 UTC
I want to disagree with James, but he's right. Attacking a capsuleers family is far easier than attacking them directly - in the long run it won't achieve ANYTHING of lasting importance, except for turning a professional rival into an intractable enemy, but it IS easy and the easy non-solution always attracts the lower class of enemy.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2013-09-26 00:56:07 UTC
I think some of you may be overestimating how important most capsuleers are.
A capsuleer's children aren't likely to be at any more risk than your mid level politician (ie. municipal or district level) unless they are the children of top level alliance brass or the parents are stupid enough to take their children into a war zone.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-09-26 01:24:21 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I think some of you may be overestimating how important most capsuleers are.


We're only near immortal demi-gods with enough money to allow a baseliner to live in luxery for eternity. That alone gives us a lot of enemies and it's something common to every capsuleer.

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2013-09-26 01:35:41 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I think some of you may be overestimating how important most capsuleers are.


We're only near immortal demi-gods with enough money to allow a baseliner to live in luxery for eternity. That alone gives us a lot of enemies and it's something common to every capsuleer.


At least we will be until the hacking of Sleeper and Juno technology becomes more commonplace. Once the entire cluster learns how to scramble our sync signal upon transmission, then they can get back to killing us instead of our families.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-09-26 03:38:57 UTC
I appreciate all of your concerns and be assured, I will be taking great precautions to ensure any children we have are well protected.

I will likewise speak to my director about my assignment to null sec. Perhaps spending more time with her would allow us to speak more openly about future plans then brief emails. Nothing is set right now.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-09-26 14:47:12 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Though I would have to disagree with her regarding whether or not to have children. You won't be able to have a "normal" family by any means. It would be something much closer to that of the families of world leaders. Armed guards everywhere, roads being shut down just for your kid to visit friends, agents taste testing your child's birthday cake before they can have a bite, assembling and reassembling your families toys and gadgets to check for explosives, all sorts of precautions. If you have a girl, you can bet the boyfriend will be getting interrogated.

Bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.

Even admiral's kids don't go to school with guards and no one tastes their cakes and other stuff. They live and study together with other children to become proper part of the society.

And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#34 - 2013-09-26 15:29:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Though I would have to disagree with her regarding whether or not to have children. You won't be able to have a "normal" family by any means. It would be something much closer to that of the families of world leaders. Armed guards everywhere, roads being shut down just for your kid to visit friends, agents taste testing your child's birthday cake before they can have a bite, assembling and reassembling your families toys and gadgets to check for explosives, all sorts of precautions. If you have a girl, you can bet the boyfriend will be getting interrogated.

Bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.

Even admiral's kids don't go to school with guards and no one tastes their cakes and other stuff. They live and study together with other children to become proper part of the society.

And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.



Forgive Miss Kim, she hasn't been to the underground of many stations, nor any Minmatar stations.

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Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2013-09-26 15:48:02 UTC
Isis, if that is the case, I dare you come come attack my children. Let's see how far you get, you coward.

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell
Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2013-09-26 16:37:38 UTC
Well that escalated quickly.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-09-26 16:43:42 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.


Good grief, Diana, I have about an hour a week taken up in public appearances, at the least. Not to mention the t-shirts, the posters, the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). One company does digital 'trading cards' of STPRO pilots and contacted me regarding my "Rookie of the Year" card for Caldari Militia in YC114.

At a convention last year I saw about thirty baseliners who were cosplaying as me. My assistant processes a good three to four thousand information requests and fanmails every week. Quotations in those fanmails and informaiton requests suggest that many people are monitoring my activity in the Channel "The Summit" as well as on the IGS board, here.

As for capsuleers having children, as a Citizen of the State, I shouldn't have to tell you that not only is it a privilege it is our duty to the State.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#38 - 2013-09-26 17:14:54 UTC
--wait. Wait.

Fans? Tuulinen-haan, your stubble will never cease to amaze me.

I wonder. I may have to ask the Torped-Os marketing staff what sort of inquiries they receive.

I suspect I have insulated myself from much of the strangeness of this world.

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#39 - 2013-09-26 17:20:10 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
[...] the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). [...]


Makoto Priano wrote:
Fans? Tuulinen-haan, your stubble will never cease to amaze me.


Suddenly, Veiki's inquiry in EW the other night makes a whole lot more sense. Hmmmmm...

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-09-26 17:32:31 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
--wait. Wait.

Fans? Tuulinen-haan, your stubble will never cease to amaze me.

I wonder. I may have to ask the Torped-Os marketing staff what sort of inquiries they receive.

I suspect I have insulated myself from much of the strangeness of this world.


I didn't make the cluster, Priano-haani, I just try to live in it. And collect a 5% residual.

It's not as easy as it sounds - especially with Gesakaarin-ojaabun holding the rights to my digital image.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.