Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There's already a thread about this mate with the idea that "Duelling" be used instead.

Not a supporter of it TBH but then I have blown up my own ship "over testing" with a corp mate. Was a late night you might say ha ha.

EDIT: This was and is allowed as people in your Corp should be trusted (and vetted prior to joining) and is rather handy for testing fits without the need to log on to SiSi and export fits etc. I think it should stay but thats my opinion.

You trust your corp mates to help you in pvp, you trust corp mates not to steal corp goods and Isk , you trust your corp mates to not give intel to the enemy, you trust you corp mates not to offline POS modules, etc etc etc.

These are common issue you could face in the real world.
However, if an employee walks into your place of business and kills people, they are still subject to the rules of law.
This is no different.
A corp is a corporation, IE a business.
It is not a get out of jail free card for easy kills.

Also, the only people that would be against stopping corp killing are the very people that use it for free and easy kills.

If you want kills, do what everyone else does and earn them through suicide ganks and/or low, null, and WH combat.. Or even easier, just war dec them... If they're easy enough to kill in corp, then they should be easy enough to kill with a war dec.

I completely disagree with that complete. My corp sets up several pvp tournaments that involving fighting to ship destroyed. Making pvp between corp members a concord offense would destroy this function of our corp. Or we would have to move the tournaments to low sec which would call unwanted attention.

Besides if you and your corp is having trouble with corp killers it sounds like you need to improve your background checks for new pilots. I suggest looking at their killboard, checking their employment history, contacting former ceo's, or requesting API codes from all new recruits. And if it's a new character then you'll just have to understand you're taking a risk (besides they probably won't have enough skill or isk to effective corp killers). All of these actions will help reduce this.

On another note, I just realized that corp killing show up neutral on corp kill boards since it should show up as a loss and a kill. Funny.

Lets make concord function like real world cops! When a crime is committed outside of a concord system someone has to report it to them. Then they fly with normal warp and jump speeds to the system of the crime to investigate, as if leaving the police station. Then they can speak to the complainant about the incident and investigate from there. You can file charges against the accused and he can have his fair day in court! Because concordokken spawning instantly to bap the offender with the **** stick is unrealistic!

Backpedaling your logic yet?

Are you one of those people who want to apply real world morals and ethics to an online game?
It's you people who can't tell the difference between games and reality.
You are the one with twisted mentality not us griefers.

Nope, not supported. Already mentioned why in other thread based on the exact same issue, which is the response that continually proves to be the overwhelming reason why threads like this don't get traction.

Live in the sandbox and don't eat from the kitty litter of bad ideas.

Pro-tip for OP:

CCP literally had an advert centered around the ability to infiltrate a corp and destroy it from the inside. These capabilities are a SELLING POINT for the game.

If you don't like them, you don't understand EVE.

If you don't know how to deal with them within the current mechanics, you don't understand EVE.

Mindless awoxing? No. But If by awoxing I can keep them constantly docked up and utterly ineffective for fear of me killing them at random with no CONCORD threat, then I have won.

I support this. Like dueling allows people to fight in high sec a mechanism like team dueling could be implemented. They can form 2 fleets for example and then one fleet can challenge another fleet to a duel. Just like one pilot duels another pilot. This will allow any kind of ship testing to be done in high sec.

it's not about the flagging for PvP.

It's more about how being allowed to free kill corp members doesn't make much sense.

I mean, you can't attack random people in high sec without issue, so why are you allowed to attack ppl just cause you're in the same corp?


There are many other ways to harass and/or bring down another corp.
All of which being significantly more effective than awoxing.


The strategy behind awoxing is to bring down an easy/squishy target as quickly as possible.


The targeted ships is rarely (if ever) a ship that is known to be strong in pvp.
The targeted ships are typically mission runners or miners.


You never see someone awoxing a ship that would be strong enough to counter.
You also rarely (if ever) see a known pvp corp getting awoxed.


My point is, awoxing is never used for any type of tactical advantage.
it is merely used in the same manner as suicide ganking, only without requiring several alpha ships, and with much less risks and no isk loss as long as you don't suck at it.


The other thing to consider is risks vs rewards.
Typically, the more risks you take, the higher the potential payout.

Ex. Ganking a freighter with catalysts as compared to Tornados.

With the Tornados, you're more likely to take the target down in time, however, with catalysts you have the potential for much greater payout, but require more people and have the potential to fail.


Now, an awoxer that knows what he's doing can solo a freighter by simply joining the right corp, which isn't hard to do...
If he joins a pve/mining focused corp, then no one will defend, if even be on to defend, and the odds are, even if they do defend, they will be too noob or inexperienced to defend...
So, he is essentially has the potential to make way more isk than any ganker, and will do so with little to no risks, and if done right, won't even lose a time to anything other than ammo....


How is this fair to anyone involved?

Everyone knows awoxing is generally a very one sided fight, unless you suck....
So, why support something that breaks everything we consider the game to be except for "Eve is harsh"?