Ships & Modules

The ability to replace certain ship classes and the assessment if they're actually worth undocking might be completely unrelated for some people.

I've never found a proper way to make isk - I'm plainly too stupid.

Nonetheless, I made enough to easily lose 500 T2 fitted and T1 rigged BS and some occasional pimp threwn in without breaking a sweat.

Unfortunately, some primitive instinct prevents me from paying ridiculous prices for poop even if it's gilded if I have plain poop available that does it's job better than gilded poop.

Just keep in mind that back when the game first got started, Cruisers were treated like battleships, and battleships were treated like titans.

The Rokh is about 170M ISK right now. Pre-Odyssey I was buying them for I think 230M ISK. They're dead cheap at the moment. Meanwhile Typhoons have gone from 90-100M to ~130M, which is probably still low for their increased material requirements.

I'm pretty happy with current BS prices, because now even the cheap navy battleships are clearly more expensive than a standard BS. It never seemed right that Rokhs cost more than some faction battleships (and with good reason, performance-wise).

As for (T1) battleship expense compared to other ships, while they are expensive compared to T1 cruisers, they are pretty cheap compared to T3s, and comparable to command ships (which are hugely SP intensive to get into now, driving down demand a bit) and HACs. As battleships provide a fairly low-SP way of getting a lot of DPS and tank, it seems a reasonable price point to me.

The one ship class that is, IMO, badly out of line in terms of cost to capability is the attack battle-cruisers - they cost too little (and take too few SP to fly adequately). However, for them a subtle nerf to their performance is probably a better idea than hiking the price.

People complain when the losses are too cheap since there is no risk and people complain when the losses are too expensive because they can't afford it... You just can't win lol

PvP has not become more expensive.

I'm not going to use the PLEX market as the way to compare.
That is just silly because PLEX prices are more driven by number of old players v.s. new players and that has certainly gone up.

The reason I say PvP doesn't cost more is due to isk entering game.

Drone missions now pay out bounties. This is a very new addition.

Many ships have much higher max dps than they use to. Rattlesnake is up about 25% in the past 2 years.
New mods and the ever increasing damage makes isk per hour far higher than it use to be.

Then the big ones is incursions. More isk per hour.

Even on the indy side the amount of minerals used is up on ships so even when minerals are at the same price as before you can move more of them in the same item. Less dealing with market means more isk per hour.

High prices keep those trade % up and they keep up no matter how the price of things move.

The real issue for if PvP is more expensive is based on when you started eve. The way way way back machine saw prices much higher than we see today and isk was far harder to get. If you have joined Eve in the past 3 years then you got in on the up swing of actual isk prices and may see a price increase that doesn't take in the inflation aspects.

I'd say the amount of time needed to obtain a well fitted ship on the over all is at a historical low.
Battleships just had a spike due to the mineral changes but even with that they are still near historic lows.
The old tier 1 BS's being the exception but they have all had huge buffs since those prices and if you based them on what they can do v.s. the price are still very cheap.

For those who got in right before the pre-tiercide stage of Eve I can see why it feels more expensive but bang for the buck on what you are buying is still great.

Those using cap ships like the rorqual have seen big drops all the way around. That it's getting expensive feeling is only sub-cap and only being felt by pilots around the 1-3 years of age but the amount of hours needed of game play to purchase them even for that group is down.

Actually if you keep your ratio 10:1 or better and use more plain but well endowed (like tier2&3 BCs) and less underwhelming bling (like AFs, EAFs, Faction (fitted is a double whammy) BS-BC-cruiser, you can easily fund replacement ships even by keeping the dropped enemy lewt in a can and hauling said can to a trade hub every now and then. With the uber rich dropping faction and deadspace gear left right and center its no biggy...

my first raven was about 75mil and my first drake was 25mil .. how times change

Plenty of options for inexpensive PvP. My griffin costs 4mil; so can make 10-15 of the things after an hour running missions.

On the topic of PLEX and inflation:

PLEX works largely on the premise equivilent of T-bills like the government uses. For every one generated, the value of ISK decreses, creating an inflation in the price of most things.

This is not necessarily a direct reaction, but mix that with an increasing consumer base? (which should stablize the econemy as isk per capita generation is being leveled, but due to the mass quantity of PLEX being introduced into the market, its still steadily increasing.)


If plex purchasing goes up or stays level, and player base stabilizes or shrinks, then you can expect pretty drastic inflation.

At this point material costs will probably be lessened to binge the rate of inflation.

What does this mean?

Mo money, mo problems. - Barney Stinson.

well PVP IS more expensive than it was back when a tier 1 Battleship costed 50Mil Isk and large t2 guns costed 1.5 Mil isk each.

But that was lowest poitn in PVP cost curve ever.