Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So hears my idea.

I think this game has come a long way over the years but one thing that i think has stayed behind the times is the ability for corp members to shoot at each other without putting an official duel in place in advance.

Why is this a problem i hear you all ask?

Well as you know there are many griefers in this game who take advantage of corps who are recruiting,

They get through the security checks somehow and then Bam!!! there goes an expensive ship up in smoke.

I know this has been a feature of the game since its birth to allow corp members to shoot at each other and was meant for the purpose of testing load-outs or corp tournaments which are all good fun.

I left the game for a while and when i came back started up my old corporation and started a new crew. We have tried to be careful who we recruit but have now had 3 characters shoot down our corp mates for fun before leaving or being kicked from the corp. Now admittedly the first one duped my 2nd in command who didn't do any background checking but the second 2 appeared OK. full API keys nothing majorly wrong i had a bad feeling but we decided to give them a shot after we had a long chat to them on our TS Server. they worked so hard to convince us that they were honest decent people and i think that's just taking it too far.

I believe this to be an abuse of what was meant for good fun and believe that shooting at corp members should only be allowed through a duel. wanting to see what everyone elses opinions are related to this issue and get some developer feedback also.

Look forward to your responses

Regards

Apoc UK

I am sure you do....
Pro tip hide your corporation and alliance information when trying to support a corporates thread.

On topic, no.

Corp members CAN SHOOT EACH OTHER? WTF... Couldn't even imagine a crap like dat... Geez. Now I think I will live a lonely life after gettin known that feature.

On topic: as soon as we got duels I see no reason to keep this thingy up anymoar. CCP! I know ya like to give ppl a good opportunity to be bitches. But THIS is too much I guess...

Maybe initially that was the case, but it has long developed into both a griefer mechanics as well as a major type of sabotage and spying for in game corporations and alliances. The fact that such a minor change would have far, far reaching implications that go way beyone new recruit hiring. I sympathize with you, but the situation no longer relates to just small time AWOXing.



Full API keys are just part of the vetting process. There are quite a few more steps that a person like you can take before you bring someone into your corp. If you wish, you can e-mail me and I will walk you through what other ways you can vet prospective recruits.

I understand what your saying here, but surely changing the ability to shoot at a corp member is not going to affect alliance and corporation spying? spying is a whole different level which can be used at any point. its the sneaky corp joining then shooting down a corp member i dont like.

I don't support this.

Just because you check someone (via API or interview) it doesn't mean you should be able to automatically trust him/her. The friendly-fire mechanic (or lack of) in corps forces you the player (and the person recruiting) to take extra precautions (safeguarding assets, not bringing out "bling," having some kind of internal security measures, etc) and build real trust that is not mechanically forced.

Plus, having your own corp has a ton of perks. There have to be some downsides too.


If you look at the bigger picture, you'll notice that a corp is not just a social thing in EVE. It is effectively a "declaration" to others that you, and everyone in your corp, has a common interest and can hold your own against others.
If one AWOXer is giving you problems, you won't last long in EVE.

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Every group in the game sooner or later deals with this issue and more. It will never end. Nor should it. It would just make the game boring.

So you just want to be lazy and irresponsible.

Duel feature shall be expanded to fleets and also we can have a kind of flag alike the new safety settings system (I mean that green button at the left side of your HUD). So once a person is not flagged, (s)he isn't an eligible target for engaging.

And that is the problem. Here's the scenario that this change would no longer allow to happen:

Suppose you and your four man corp are mining in a section of high-sec space. You are a little operation, but you like each other and you all have fun, even if you aren't making much isk.

One day, a much bigger alliance comes into the area and just blitz mines everything. Maybe its not a big deal the first few days, but after a couple weeks you all start getting a little ticked off that there isn't a single roid left. You've tried talking to them and they basically tell you to "HTFU!" For good measure, they wardec you, forcing you to hide out in station for a good week or so. In the end, you are ticked and you want revenge. With the current mechanic you can do the following things:

1 - Wardec them - Which will probably get you wiped again.

2 - Leave - This will expose your transports to ganks, plus it may be very difficult to find a high-sec location that will offer the same benefits.

3 - Join another alliance - But you may not be able to convince your new alliance to wardec them as they see no profit or benefit.

4 - Patiently wait until they allow you to join, then after you gain some trust, stage a coup and wipe out a mining op while also taking out their wallets and extra goodies.

That last one would be severely hampered by your change and since people are jerks, option 4. isn't necessarily a bad plan.

10 for 10. solid troll OP