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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#101 - 2013-09-25 17:37:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced


The bears soil themselves with rage whenever that is said.

Instead of being vulnerable to a personal war dec, I think I'd prefer it if they instead gained an incrementally increasing bounty... sponsored by Concord for "tax evasion".

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2013-09-25 17:39:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ingame responsibility for their words...

Like what?

You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.

I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations.


Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity.

In a way, it's a similar thing to how people post that they are elaving, as if the lose of their anywhere from 1 to 20 accounts (lol) is so important that it's going to bankrupt ccp. People who really don't like CCP or EVE just leave quietly lol.



Haha yea. I'm a big fan of "development" and responsibility. It also stems from a big of wisdom someone taught me that is "it's harder and more exciting to always tell the truth than it would be to always tell a lie".

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2013-09-25 17:40:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.


As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying.

Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.


Exactly.

I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect.

This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief.



This is the post I meant to quote. Oops.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#104 - 2013-09-25 18:08:12 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced


The bears soil themselves with rage whenever that is said.

Instead of being vulnerable to a personal war dec, I think I'd prefer it if they instead gained an incrementally increasing bounty... sponsored by Concord for "tax evasion".


well the mechanics would have to be different right? maybe like a temp war dec that has a set amount of ship looses or isk lost or some sort of mehcanic that would reduce the chances for grifing but still allow for war decs...

the point would be to make the shift to a player run corp make more sense then to go solo.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-09-25 18:27:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect.

There's a (not funny) story about that and Psychotic Monk.

Jenn aSide wrote:

Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity.

You're generalizing. Hiding my identity lets me censor names out of stories to protect those involved. Whereas posting on my space faring character would simply mean not talking about it at all, to prevent things from happening.

Jenn aSide wrote:
This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief.

I don't recall ever arguing with you vOv. There's a set theory argument in there somewhere.

But I guess deep down, my motives are less than pure. I'm secretly cheering for the villain. While listening to my corp mate huffing and puffing on comms about making use of the kill rights, after he done goofed.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-09-25 18:36:44 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
voetius wrote:

While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean

Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp.

The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response?



This is the eve-o forum , if you think most people do some ''research'' before posting then you're clearly mistaken.This is the ''talk first mayyyyyyyyybe think later'' forum .

See my post above as an example that most people just use assumptions as a general posting habbit instead of research.

Most? You're most probably right.
Some? See: any Harry Forever thread that turns into lol cyno killer with warp stabbed bomber regardless of topic. If someone is talking about solo pvp on an NPC alt, the attack at NPC alt comes from a failed attempt in scouring killboards for solo kills. Trying to attack the player's (supposed lack of) appropriate experience to discuss the topic, rather than the topic itself.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#107 - 2013-09-25 22:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Georgina Parmala wrote:

Most? You're most probably right.
Some? See: any Harry Forever thread that turns into lol cyno killer with warp stabbed bomber regardless of topic. If someone is talking about solo pvp on an NPC alt, the attack at NPC alt comes from a failed attempt in scouring killboards for solo kills. Trying to attack the player's (supposed lack of) appropriate experience to discuss the topic, rather than the topic itself.


That's just goons being goons though. Harry Forever bombs goon cyno's and industrials. He apparently does it a lot, is isk efficient, and does it enough to get noticed. It even elicits a response from them. Goons also often ridicule posts by members of N3/NC. So what?
Josef Djugashvilis
#108 - 2013-09-25 22:47:18 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Perhaps the opinion and relevance of alt posts should be judged by their content?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#109 - 2013-09-25 23:04:28 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
There is no harm at all in hiding behind a forum alt... as long as you understand that whatever you say will be perceived to be an opinion you are not willing to stand behind.

Now if you post with your main, whether you are right or wrong... agreed with or ridiculed... whatever, at least people get the strong impression that they got your straight opinion on the matter and are willing to be associated with that opinion.

I only post on this character because I want you to know that, whether you agree with my opinion or not, I didn't simply troll you.... I told it exactly the way I see it. Nor am I afraid to admit it if you show me there was something to the conversation I hadn't considered.

Obviously all characters (main or not) are a mask of anonymity for the real people that play them... but there you have it.


This, so much this in fact. Real me may be male, but Avatar me ain't and is gonna have me some Ranger1 Babies!

The people I have the most respct for are those who have served on the CSM. They have to tell us who they really are before we can even vote for them, and in this age of internet crazies, that takes (real, not virtual) balls.

And I appreciate balls....wait that didn't sound right.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-09-25 23:21:47 UTC
The problem with NPC corps is that they're playing on easy difficulty when everyone else is playing on hard. It's just not fair and doesn't make sense from a multiplayer perspective.

I don't think the newbie corps should be changed, but the NPC corps you wind up in when you leave a player corp should have the same mechanics as a player corp.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#111 - 2013-09-26 00:09:20 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Perhaps the opinion and relevance of alt posts should be judged by their content?


If you cannot even support your own content, why should someone else bother with it?