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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2013-09-25 18:22:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Well the man was a **** before the war kicked off.



Haha yea.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#202 - 2013-09-25 18:41:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
As for TMC.. most comments are full of people using this type of language.

Flag them? I rarely see those comments. Unless, of course, you're just making this up.

You know, I would have to read the comments to verify if this was happening.

Just the bad grammar/spelling and random grrgoons rage is sufficient to disincline me, bad-language-on-the-internet or not.

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Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#203 - 2013-09-25 18:41:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Oh snap, I guess we can blob elite pvp


Yeah! Please do form up 3 - 4 hours ahead of a timer to fill up system with 1000 Megas. We simply love fighting for hours under 0.1% TiDi. Ask Progod....he lives for that !!
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#204 - 2013-09-25 18:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Random Majere
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#205 - 2013-09-25 18:44:39 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Oh snap, I guess we can blob elite pvp


Yeah! Please do form up 3 - 4 hours ahead of a timer to fill up system with 1000 Megas. We simply love fighting for hours under 0.1% TiDi. Ask Progod....he lives for that !!


So happy when this happens.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#206 - 2013-09-25 18:48:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Random Majere wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Oh snap, I guess we can blob elite pvp

Yeah! Please do form up 3 - 4 hours ahead of a timer to fill up system with 1000 Megas. We simply love fighting for hours under 0.1% TiDi. Ask Progod....he lives for that !!

So happy when this happens.

Was it fun helping TEST defend their sov?

Will it be fun to defend your own sov, or maybe even attack our sov when the time come? You can decide if one of those happens, but not the other.


Also, I thought we had nearly 1500-2000megathrons. And hundreds of support ships (like two fleets of T1 ewar cruisers). And a fleet of blap dreads, never forget that. We lost a couple of dreads.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#207 - 2013-09-25 18:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Besides, 1000 megathrons is about 5 fleets worth (200 per fleet and 50 logistics etc).

All you need is a whole FIVE people in uber-tanked, sensorboosted, prelocked-by-logistics proteuses to coordinate the firepower of 1000 "players" in dominixes.

Plus ... when a group warps in, you can start dropping 1000 ships of DPS on people before the target can be locked (due to the assisted ship being massively seboed, unlike the logistics). And we all know the CFC loves shooting FCs

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#208 - 2013-09-25 18:53:37 UTC
Look after a couple weeks of multi-hour siegefleets daily, what's a multi-hour turkey-shoot in MAXIMUM TiDi.

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Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#209 - 2013-09-25 19:51:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Was it fun helping TEST defend their sov?



We had a BLAST!!!

Alavaria Fera wrote:
Will it be fun to defend your own sov, or maybe even attack our sov when the time come? You can decide if one of those happens, but not the other.


We already have a hard on thinking about ...whatever Progod is gona decide! I just cannot wait assigning drones to a trigger and watching Megas pop ....1 or 2 per hour. Got to love this wonderful Eve experience CCP put in place for us!!



Alavaria Fera wrote:

Also, I thought we had nearly 1500-2000megathrons. And hundreds of support ships (like two fleets of T1 ewar cruisers). And a fleet of blap dreads, never forget that. We lost a couple of dreads.


As a stretch goal, you should try to bring this up to 3000 Megathrons. I LOVE Megas!!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#210 - 2013-09-25 19:56:58 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Was it fun helping TEST defend their sov?



We had a BLAST!!!

Alavaria Fera wrote:
Will it be fun to defend your own sov, or maybe even attack our sov when the time come? You can decide if one of those happens, but not the other.


We already have a hard on thinking about ...whatever Progod is gona decide! I just cannot wait assigning drones to a trigger and watching Megas pop ....1 or 2 per hour. Got to love this wonderful Eve experience CCP put in place for us!!



Alavaria Fera wrote:

Also, I thought we had nearly 1500-2000megathrons. And hundreds of support ships (like two fleets of T1 ewar cruisers). And a fleet of blap dreads, never forget that. We lost a couple of dreads.


As a stretch goal, you should try to bring this up to 3000 Megathrons. I LOVE Megas!!


Of they will only train whatever drone skill they have missing and bring 3k domis assisted to a few sebo'd trigger and show how stupid drone assist is... It's kind of convenient that domi are gallente just like mega.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2013-09-25 20:10:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Besides, 1000 megathrons is about 5 fleets worth (200 per fleet and 50 logistics etc).

All you need is a whole FIVE people in uber-tanked, sensorboosted, prelocked-by-logistics proteuses to coordinate the firepower of 1000 "players" in dominixes.

Plus ... when a group warps in, you can start dropping 1000 ships of DPS on people before the target can be locked (due to the assisted ship being massively seboed, unlike the logistics). And we all know the CFC loves shooting FCs



In a fight that large would it not hurt the drone fleet more based on pipebombs and stealth bomber fleets wreaking havoc?

Your alpha would be higher but also a lot more vulnerable.

There's no anchor, no path, everything is static. Not to mention to bombs you could also do some serious damage with emp bombs to your logis who are bunched to focus their reps on one ship. Cap chain or not.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#212 - 2013-09-25 20:12:58 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Besides, 1000 megathrons is about 5 fleets worth (200 per fleet and 50 logistics etc).

All you need is a whole FIVE people in uber-tanked, sensorboosted, prelocked-by-logistics proteuses to coordinate the firepower of 1000 "players" in dominixes.

Plus ... when a group warps in, you can start dropping 1000 ships of DPS on people before the target can be locked (due to the assisted ship being massively seboed, unlike the logistics). And we all know the CFC loves shooting FCs



In a fight that large would it not hurt the drone fleet more based on pipebombs and stealth bomber fleets wreaking havoc?

Your alpha would be higher but also a lot more vulnerable.

There's no anchor, no path, everything is static. Not to mention to bombs you could also do some serious damage with emp bombs to your logis who are bunched to focus their reps on one ship. Cap chain or not.


The range on Logi is long so you have leeway on positionning. No need to bunch them up even if they have the same target.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2013-09-25 20:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Besides, 1000 megathrons is about 5 fleets worth (200 per fleet and 50 logistics etc).

All you need is a whole FIVE people in uber-tanked, sensorboosted, prelocked-by-logistics proteuses to coordinate the firepower of 1000 "players" in dominixes.

Plus ... when a group warps in, you can start dropping 1000 ships of DPS on people before the target can be locked (due to the assisted ship being massively seboed, unlike the logistics). And we all know the CFC loves shooting FCs



In a fight that large would it not hurt the drone fleet more based on pipebombs and stealth bomber fleets wreaking havoc?

Your alpha would be higher but also a lot more vulnerable.

There's no anchor, no path, everything is static. Not to mention to bombs you could also do some serious damage with emp bombs to your logis who are bunched to focus their reps on one ship. Cap chain or not.


The range on Logi is long so you have leeway on positionning. No need to bunch them up even if they have the same target.



Even with 66km range I do not see a 10% tidi fight having logi split up. Remember, the targets have to be inside of drone control range, which also means the bunny has to be within attacking range, while maintaining an aggressive position with a fleet supporting him or it all falls apart.

Not to say it cannot happen.

But I doubt it.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#214 - 2013-09-25 20:35:18 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Besides, 1000 megathrons is about 5 fleets worth (200 per fleet and 50 logistics etc).

All you need is a whole FIVE people in uber-tanked, sensorboosted, prelocked-by-logistics proteuses to coordinate the firepower of 1000 "players" in dominixes.

Plus ... when a group warps in, you can start dropping 1000 ships of DPS on people before the target can be locked (due to the assisted ship being massively seboed, unlike the logistics). And we all know the CFC loves shooting FCs



In a fight that large would it not hurt the drone fleet more based on pipebombs and stealth bomber fleets wreaking havoc?

Your alpha would be higher but also a lot more vulnerable.

There's no anchor, no path, everything is static. Not to mention to bombs you could also do some serious damage with emp bombs to your logis who are bunched to focus their reps on one ship. Cap chain or not.


The range on Logi is long so you have leeway on positionning. No need to bunch them up even if they have the same target.



Even with 66km range I do not see a 10% tidi fight having logi split up. Remember, the targets have to be inside of drone control range, which also means the bunny has to be within attacking range, while maintaining an aggressive position with a fleet supporting him or it all falls apart.

Not to say it cannot happen.

But I doubt it.


Orbitting at 50KM with a wing of logi would give them the rep power and easy cap chain by forming a somewhat continuos circle of ship about 50 KM away from the center trigger. At that point, I am pretty sure they are out of reach for a wing wide hit by bombs. You could launch a **** ton of bombs to garantee the effect but they could then bring more than one trigger ship and you won't even know who really is controling the drones at that time. You then need even more bomber wings wich means less people in battle line dortrine ship or less support ships unless you also happen to have an infinite number of player Xing up for the fleet. This is not the case.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2013-09-25 20:40:02 UTC
You don't hit trigger ships with bombs. That's the point.

You scatter everything else with aoe damage. The logis, drones, other support ships... they are the ones that are going to have the focus.

Not only that, but 3,000 domis are not going to be spread out.

With say, 300 bombers... that's a shitload of damage.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#216 - 2013-09-25 20:43:25 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
You don't hit trigger ships with bombs. That's the point.

You scatter everything else with aoe damage. The logis, drones, other support ships... they are the ones that are going to have the focus.

Not only that, but 3,000 domis are not going to be spread out.

With say, 300 bombers... that's a shitload of damage.


Whats the drone control range of a Domi? Can we somewhat scatter those Somi over half of that range (just the half sphere behind the drone for example).
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#217 - 2013-09-25 20:45:20 UTC
So expose the battleships away from the rest of the fleet eh?


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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#218 - 2013-09-25 23:02:45 UTC
you can scatter the ships like what happened with the megathrons at 6vdt.

I mean when you're getting to whole fleets of ships it's always an issue of how bad the fc is at avoiding bombers. see: rokh kills with bombers in delve

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#219 - 2013-09-25 23:03:52 UTC
recall that f1 pressing was decent at killing fcs in 6vdt

assigned drones have better coordination

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2013-09-25 23:23:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I think generally goons don't care about the tmc comments, though some posting superstars (and the moderators) will dive into that terrible pit. It's even worse than eveo general discussion, which say a lot



Cant be worse than Kugu.

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