EVE General Discussion

The necessary ingredients for "win" are, good equipment, good player skills, and good character skills.

Good equipment you can buy easily if you sell PLEX, yes. But that doesn't directly lead to a win. Every class of ship has its downsides and can be defeated with significantly less expensive or skill-intensive ships and setups. Unless you're flying T1 frigates, in which case it's kind of hard to get any cheaper (but that's quite obviously not P2W). Most modules people would associate with P2W generally have the same downsides as other modules of the same type, and sometimes they have significantly greater downsides (e.g. T2 stasis web uses 1 PG, Tobias' Modified Stasis Web uses 2200 PG as an extreme example). Many of these are also rare enough that it might not matter how much you're willing to pay for them, you still won't be able to buy one because the supply just isn't there.

Good character skills you can't buy, unless you buy a character that has the skills that you want/need. But this isn't pay to win for several reasons, most significantly being that trying to pay for characters by selling PLEX gets very expensive, very quickly. This discourages the vast, vast majority of people from trying such a thing. The amount of people willing to put down hundreds or thousands of dollars/euros/pounds for a character are so few and far between that this isn't really much of a consideration.

Good player skills can't be bought, period. They only come with a solid combination of experience and theory.

And even if you are a highly competent pilot with the best equipment and skills, you're still not going to win all of the time. Sometimes you'll be severely outnumbered. Sometimes you'll be countered. And sometimes you'll make mistakes.

So we have essentially a system that lets you buy, using PLEX, realistically only one out of the three necessary ingredients for "win". Hardly makes the game pay-to-win.

You already can. It is still cheaper even with this temporary deal to buy 3 months of game time or 6 months of game time than it is with 25% off Plex.

Is it that much different than other companies that have once a year pricing discounts on yearly subscriptions? 12 Plex with the sale will be 12.49/each. 12 months with a yearly sub is 10.95/month. That's still a pretty nice discount, I'd say.

No. What YOU did is WIN-TO-PAY.

Too bad you can.

Pay for a new T3 OGB character. Pay for high SP frigate character. Pay for subscription. Pay for faction fitted frigates. Kite with a LML Condor with HG Snakes at 20k at 6k ms? (kite as in press orbit 20km and f1 and win)

And people say you can't pay to win.

Then get owned by a TS scram arazu because you're clueless and got baited and lose your multibillion isk clone, faction bits and dignity when your killmail becomes an ALOD on TMC.

And why is this offer not available to the UK?

Amazon won't let me order due to not being in the US, this is pretty outrageous.

Three years ago, Apocs were built with botted dronespace minerals.

Now they cost a price that more nearly reflects the actual player effort required to build one. You might as well complain that your cost of living has increased because you can't use counterfeit money any more.

I just wanted to buy 6 PLEX for my accounts through Amazon but the offer is for US customers only... what a god damn rip-off... why should I have to subscribe for 12 months just to get the same thing as US players get for simply buying PLEX during a sale?

This sucks - and you just lost out on my 75$.

CCP, talk to Amazon and tell them that you also have many international players and that you'll only make such deals with them in the future if they don't simply exclude a large portion of your players for no good reason.

It's a ******* virtual purchase... why should stupid Amazon care about what silly address I enter - I'm paying by credit card, it doesn't get any more international then that.

Not empty quoting..